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    Hi Corrientes.
    Thanks for that post, I was only an AB so had not much knowledge of loading etc, but that gave me a great insight to the exacting job it is with loading containers, with their varying cargoes. I will be more discerning next time a ship looses it's containers.
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    The loading of any ship is an exacting job Des. Apart from the odd few containers I have no experience with such. But going from the drawing board to the completed object there are any amount of could be be deviations and the completed product is not always what it seems. Even loading grain cargoes on the ships built for them the bulkers , if loading say 5 different types of grain with 5 different stowage factors say 55 , 51, 48, 46 and 42 cubic feet to the ton , and a S.F is wrong , then to comply with the grain regulations your whole stowage arrangement can go sky high . on an ordinary ship is 10 times worse with all the grain fittings it has taken days to fit. To try and rearrange the cheapest and fastest way , a few white lies have to be used , those few white lies may be judged at a court of enquiry to be ones downfall. All because some typist ashore wasn’t able to type the correct numbers on a piece of paper. Will he or she ever appear before that enquiry ... no way Hosea . People are not foolproof especially those not involved in the actual loading . The bloke driving the crane unless the alarms go on his crane as being overloaded is only interested in landing it on deck somewhere and getting home and out to the pub. I still prefer to be responsible for my own well being and not people I never know or see. Cheers JS
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    I recall with UCL liners that carried cargo, fruit and other things from South Africa to UK.

    Think it was the third officer who had the job of determining which cargo went where.
    He had a small version of a hold and he had to measure and work out how to fit it all within the ships ballast levels.

    Not sure about all the details but some one on site will have a better understanding of what I am trying to express.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    The loading of any ship is.... etc. .......I still prefer to be responsIible for my own well being and not people I never know or see. Cheers JS
    Well put as always,JS. and I agree.......but having said that didn't we motley crew have some fun on our Virtual Ship(s! both of 'em -long ago sunk. Now who was that First Mate?

    By the way, you wrote an interesting rendition of the word José (... no way Hosea)

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    He got promoted to Commodore of U.C. In preparation for his rear admiral post in the RNVR at the Admiralty , however he will have to remain in that rank as it suits his personality . On the outbreak of hostility’s it is best to keep him bringing up the rear of the Armada as keeps those ahead of him on their toes . Both the Vice Admiral and the Admiral of the Fleet agreed that was the best policy. JS
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    Vice Admiral -forgiveable-we all err-'to have a vice is human.

    I 've always been rather suspicious of Rear Admirals--like being the hind part of a pantomime horse I suppose.Leave it up to the front guy to guide the show and be the first to get the (c)rap for anything.....Pooh!.gif

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    Joking apart that is the true position in Hornblower days where the Rear Admiral flew his pennant , the vice Admiral being second in command sailed on the usual upwind flank , and the mighty Admiral of the fleet led them all into battle , the crews of the ships in between the front and the back standing on their toes of course . If the Admiral did his Nelson act then the vice Admiral got the job and if the rear one had any French blood at all would scurry back to port. You get to know these things when you study and sing sea shanties , Blow the man down , is a good one . JS

    PS I’m off to the club now as it’s the Happy hour once again as it’s thursday. And us mariners are getting short in numbers , and getting outnumbered by the spitfires .Should be my turn to win the raffle, otherwise it’s rigged . Cheers JS
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post

    Think it was the third officer who had the job of determining which cargo went where.
    Having not sailed in UCL I cannot comment on that

    Can only say that every ship I sailed on the Chief Officer determined where the cargo was stowed for stability and other purpose. The 2/m, 3/m and cadets would be issued with the chief officer's cargo plans to ensure that stevedores stowed the cargo in the correct compartments to suit the loading and discharging ports itenary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Shaw View Post
    Well put as always,JS. and I agree.......but having said that didn't we motley crew have some fun on our Virtual Ship(s! both of 'em -long ago sunk. Now who was that First Mate?

    By the way, you wrote an interesting rendition of the word José (... no way Hosea)

    mv VIRTUALITY 1.jpgm.v VIRTUALITY (2).jpg
    Saw a ship loading coal in Swansea, crew must have gone ashore for a pint and left the ports open, maybe the same thing here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Taff Jenkins View Post
    Saw a ship loading coal in Swansea, crew must have gone ashore for a pint and left the ports open, maybe the same thing here?
    Des
    Des,our first "Virtual Ship",the VIRTUALITY 1,was based by Gulliver on the real m.v. TORM ALEXANDRA Some details of the actual casualty below; [by the way for those who are relative newcomers on site,there was a 'Virtual Ship' forum which ran for years,in which Members could sign on,in any capacity,and generally help to 'sail the damn thing',amidst plenty of banter and inuendo.I believe she set sail from a Thames port for various destinations,but ended up,mostly going round in circles carrying a load of squabbling sex-starved,underpaid shipmates and a full cargo of Des (the one (from Canada)'s infamous rock cakes-er tabnabs.Many times she went round in circles,avoiding such navigational hazards as rocks and islands,which usually turned out to be dried pieces of food from dinner sticking to the chart,and which turned out to be an Esso Roadmap etc.... but you get the drift(and there was a lot of that drift !),-does anyone still remember... or care?]



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    TORM ALEXANDRA
    Torm Alexandra Built 1992,,3,936grt .Owners Hansen & Lange,A/S ;Maltese Flag.Type of ship-Containership Date25-Jul-2001-LocationMonrovia, Liberia (West Africa) Remarks-Vessel capsized due to incorrect ballast/lifting a heavy lift.@ # 3 and 4 berths..She was subsequently looted and suffered a fire 12.1.02.
    After 8 years of failed efforts to remove the ship, the ship was raised and removed in a private operation financed by the United States government in May 2009






    The Charterers reported:in 2002) :- We time chartered a container vessel, the TORM ALEXANDRA, which suffered a casualty at the port of Monrovia, Liberia in July 2001. Subsequently, the vessel's underwriters declared the vessel a constructive total loss, and the time charter was terminated. The port authorities have notified both the owner of the vessel and us that they intend to pursue claims related to damage to a quay, a spillage of fuel oil, and loss of life of persons who later tried to loot cargo from the vessel. Owners have pursued a claim against us for loss of the vessel. We believe that the owner of the vessel is liable for all of these claims and that the owner has insurance coverage for these claims. To the extent claims are brought against us, we believe that those claims are covered by insurance, and that this casualty will not have a material effect on our financial condition or results of operations.


    Transportational Law Firm(CARGOLAW) statement reports:


    We have located a recent vessel accident report which appers to match the facts above. The ship was not named:
    "The vessel was about three quarters of the way through loading. At the same time the vessel was discharging contaminated oil from a double bottom tank. The Master, who was standing on the quay, witnessed the ship take a heavy roll as one of the 20 foot containers was lifted. He was told by the stevedores that the weight of that container was 20.8 tonnes and that the planned stow for it was on the second tier on bay 4 on deck. The Master stopped the loading temporarily for about ten minutes and informed the Chief Officer that he was not happy with the second tier of containers on bay 4. The C/O then altered the stow from second tier on bay 4 to bottom tier on bay 5. When loading resumed there were about twenty containers still to load. Whilst lifting the third to last container, using the ship's own crane, the vessel suddenly heeled over to port towards the quayside. The Master attempted to control the list with the ballast but this did not produce the desired effect, the vessel continued to list further until she capsized. The Master and C/O attempted to free the vessel's moorings but did not succeed.
    The subsequent official enquiry found that the proximate cause of the capsize was the attempted lift of a heavy container from the wharf at a time when the ship had little or no residual stability. The suspension of the heavy container from the jib of the crane caused a large and sudden heel to port which took the vessel to an angle beyond which all righting levers were negative (capsizing levers). The vessel was unable to recover and capsize became inevitable. At this stage nothing could be done to remedy the situation, which in a very short time was exacerbated by the shifting of cargo containers across the deck and sea water flooding the engine room through an open trap hatch on the main deck.
    The Chief Engineer stated that he believed the cargo containers on deck shifted at the same time as the lurch. By the time he arrived down the Engine Room, some two minutes after the initial heel to port, it was already completely flooded due to the open trap hatch on the main deck. The violent heel was probably temporarily arrested by the wharf fenders. However, at this stage the vessel had no righting levers and complete capsize eventually followed as the capsizing lever took over and the hull was 'levered' out away from the wharf.
    The following factors contributed to the unstable condition of the vessel and her subsequent capsize and sinking:
    1. No regard was paid by the ship's staff to the importance of preparing a curve of righting levers (GZ's) for the vessel in her loaded condition.
    2. Too much reliance by the ship's staff was placed upon the initial GM as a criterion for the vessel's stability in all conditions of loading and at all angles of heel.
    3. No allowance was made for free surface effect when calculating the original GM of the vessel. The instructions in the stability booklet clearly state that KG corrected for free surface must be used.
    4. The casual approach by the ship's staff to the calculation of the original GM. There appeared to have been a disagreement between the C/O and a previous Master as to the value of the KG of the cement in the holds. Both opinions were wrong and an incorrect value had been used. This was a major factor in the miscalculation of the stability.
    5. No attention was paid to a letter written by the owners, this indicated that a Deck Cargo Licence had been granted for 740 tonnes, being consistent with condition No 7 in the stability book. At the time of the accident the vessel had 1150 tonnes on deck, a 55% excess. The vessel had already breached the limit with the first tier of containers on deck. The letter also stated: "...the total vertical moment of the deck cargo is the critical figure affecting stability. While in certain advantageous loadings, it may be possible to exceed the given moment of 9590 tonne/metres (Condition 7), for general purposes, it is recommended that this should not be done". At the time of the accident the vertical moment on deck was approximately 14538 tonne/metres.
    This error, coupled with the incorrect estimation of the KG of the cement, and neglecting the free surface effect, was a major factor in the cause of the accident.
    [The vessel was in a very precarious state with respect to stability and was clearly not seaworthy at the time of the accident. If, by some chance, the accident had not happened when it did, the vessel would have certainly capsized within a very short time of commencing the voyage, perhaps with very serious loss of life to those on board. Fortunately, as it happened, no-one was injured.]

    Some responsibility for the accident must be attributed to the ship's Managers. It is their responsibility to see that the ship is correctly managed in all respects, this includes all technical and operational matters on ships under their management and the assurance that they are carried out in a safe and competent manner. They must also ensure that staff appointed to ships under their management are given adequate guidance on the operation of those ships and to monitor their performance thereafter."



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