Think of this Mr. Salmond and all those Yes voters

[Keith at Tregenna]

Must be honest, not read all been busy of late, we will know the outcome in a few days. Seems near 50/50 and all will either return to the norm or could lead to civil war up North. Historically, civil wars are backed by all sorts and Scotland is to close for comfort, If it is a yes, they have to make it work, a no forget all and carry on but with a stronger hold / hand. if all goes pair shaped above Hadrian's Wall, there is no going back. Putin etc are waiting also to visit via our back door. This may be good for Scotland or possibly not ? But to close two home for comfort.

K.

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[Bob Hollis]

Hi Brian, where I live has got nothing whatsoever to do with my interest in this thread. I am Irish and a foreigner living in a foreign land. When we Irish got independence from UK we entered into a civil war with our neighbours, family and friends. Have any of you considered this may also happen with this referendum? Collins and Devalera were compatriots.
Forget about the crap re. currency, passports,embassies,border crossings et al. I could give you the answer to all these but you are more able than that which you conjure up as barriers. If Scotland were to become a seperate country most of the points you raise here would be like a morning mist and evaporate as the day lengthens.
Do you think we Irish have embassies in every country in the world? Do you also think we Irish check your British vehicles as they enter our country? My questions can also be an endlesss list, but truthfully, I would not insult your intelligence by trotting them out here.
You are certainly correct in stating that independant Scotland means the end of A. Salmond as a leader, I believe he is also aware of that.
The one thing which I strongly disagree with you is that Salmond wants to sponge of the British. I see it as the opposite.
When I applied for my Irish state pension, (10 years contributions is the qualifying period for receiving a full pension), I was asked if I had worked abroad and paid tax in a foreign country. I stated that I had and gave my dates of employment in the British merchant navy but did not know the specific dates with the various companies. Shortly after receiving my confirmation of a full Irish pension, (about double the British rate) I received a sum of approx 2,500 euros into my bank account, This did not agree with the monies due from Ireland and my bank could only tell me it came from abroad. Some 6 weeks later I received the brown envelope with the letters OHMS and on reading the letter enclosed I was informed that I had been paid 12 months back payment of British pension and would receive 240 Euros every 4 weeks until I pop my clogs. I never applied to Britain for a pension, it was done through Ireland and the reason I got this lump sum was simply because the age for Irish pension is 66 and Britain 65.
Those Scots who have been told lies re. pensions should now change their vote from no to yes.
We can argue and fight 'till we are knackered but all of you are still welcome to sit at my table.
Slan go fhoil

[Ivan Cloherty]

all I can say great Britain will be a poorer country not financially but they are a great part of our history and a great mixture with the English welsh Irish although I think they will stay with the union..salmon is trying to make a name for a legacy for himself he is not a young man and could leave his country in the sh.te for his own ego? ok give Scotland more freedom from Westminster through their own parliament.just my view jp

John, they already have their own parliament in which we have no say, we also have our Parliament but it is run by Scots, what more do they want

[Ivan Cloherty]

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(A)The one thing which I strongly disagree with you is that Salmond wants to sponge of the British. I see it as the opposite.
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(B)Those Scots who have been told lies re. pensions should now change their vote from no to yes.

(C) We can argue and fight 'till we are knackered but all of you are still welcome to sit at my table.
Slan go fhoil

(A) Where is the logic in that statement

(B) Scotland won't have the funds to continue the largesse which incidentley comes from the English and Welsh taxpayers

(C) We have no wish to fight with you, but as a foreigner (your description) are you qualified to comment on our internal affairs with any deep understanding of them. The world was a different place when Eire gained its independence, now we have unseen enemies who have no regard for conventions or morals of any description, they only have a desire to kill anyone who disagrees with their warped ideas. Unity is strength, even the Irish realised that in WWII when Irish ships were afforded the security of our convoy system, and if you think I'm getting at the Irish, I'm not, my father was Irish, he was also in the British MN and also the British Army because he realised that the UK and Ireland would benefit by having a common cause, my late wife was Irish also. Pipe dreams are wonderful but have no place in today's dangerous world.

[Captain Kong]

Thanks Bob for your Post.
I will be away for the next few days so it will be all over by the time I get home,
Cheers
Brian.

[gray_marian]

#185, Lucky you Brian, wish I could escape......back to back referendum talk here on the news the papers the man in the street...no let up Short of draping a Union Jack from my window and around myself don't know what else I can do.

[gray_marian]

Have to say why are we all arguing? Most of us are batting for the same side.

[Keith at Tregenna]

To these men, the truth is but a lie undiscovered.

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Title Card: At the dawn of the 1700's, famine, disease and the greed of great Noblemen were changing Scotland forever. With many emigrating to the Americas, the centuries-old Clan system was slowly being extinguished. This story symbolises the attempt of the individual to withstand these processes and, even in defeat, retain respect and honour.

k.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Here is the speech of William Wallace from "Braveheart":

"I am William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen,
here in defiance of tyranny! You have come to fight as free men. And
free man you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?"
"Two thousand against ten?" - the veteran shouted. "No! We will
run - and live!"
"Yes!" Wallace shouted back. "Fight and you may die. Run and you
will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now,
would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for
one chance, just one cahnce, to come back here as young men and tell
our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take
our freedom!"

Possibly a long time coming, historically what has been sought etc, understandable, but in reality take all care, it could be not for the best and cannot be undone. Not a choice I have to make, if I did would have to for go all thoughts of celtic roots, history and culture etc, deciding on what is best for the future. Not an easy choice, hope those that can vote get it right. K

[Keith at Tregenna]

Proms 2014: Last Night of the Proms/BBC Symphony Orchestra/Sakari Oramo, Royal Albert Hall - music review: 'the crowd loved it'

The Last Night of the Proms, with its patriotic music, was a timely reminder of the upcoming Scottish referendum on independence. Despite the different flags being waved, the crowd were united in their love of the performances from violinist Janine Jansen, Roderick Williams and Ruthie Henshall

Some have suggested the Last Night of the Proms would be the final chance to wave Union Flags before the Scottish referendum makes them redundant. Of course there were hundreds of Union Flags but also Scottish flags aplenty and flags from dozens of nations around the globe.

One man appeared to be waving a dishcloth.

http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/m...t-9732832.html