Statues

[happy daze john in oz]

Back in the middle ages the majority of the populous could not read and write.
But those in charge then understood that the history should be kept and carried forward so they found another way.

There are now many nursery rhymes which the young children are taught but do they know where they came from, I doubt it.
Schools now no longer teach such history but if they did maybe the one going on these mad rampages may think differently.

In 1665/6 there was the Great Plauge which saw some 100,000 die, the rhyme,

'Ring a ring of Rosie a Pocket full of Posies told the story of this.
The rings appeared on the face of the person infected, the posies were an attempt to keep it away by holding the flowers under the nose.

'Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a big fall
This is about the battle of Colchester in 1642/9
Humpty Dumpty was a very large canon which sat on the wall to defend the town.
It fell from the wall and could not be put back.

Simple ways of retaining history and there are many more. It was a way of teaching the people of the time something of their history.

Little Jack Horner sat in the corner
Eating his curds and Whey
A blood big spider sat down beside him
For a moment he thought he was gay.

[Duke Drennan]

Whilst I agree with the eradication of racism, I cannot help but question the tearing down of Confederate statues.
More than 600,000 men from both Union and Confederate armies perished in the Civil War. On the Confederate side though, I’d have to imagine that just about all of the men fighting were not slave owners but chose to fight for the right to secession from the north. These men perished for what they believed in. Consider also that more than a few Union generals were themselves owners of slaves.
It’s just a perspective and in no way is it intended to support the racism and atrocities since associated with the Confederate flag.

[Ivan Cloherty]

#55, As my old mum used to say 'some people would start an argument in heaven'

[Duke Drennan]

Re #56
Wasn’t intending to start an argument Ivan, I only offered a perspective.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Anyone offended by Churchill being on a £5 note,
feel free to send the offending bank notes to me
and I’ll soak your pain up!

K.

[vic mcclymont]

James Watt, it has now been claimed was involved in slavery.
Going to be a lot of boilers scrapped. Lol.
Vic

[Ivan Cloherty]

Re #56
Wasn’t intending to start an argument Ivan, I only offered a perspective.

God forbid Duke, it wasn't a comment about your post or directed at you. It was merely an observation about all the people hijacking protests, the professional protesters regardless of cause, the ignoramuses who have no idea what they are rioting about and have no idea of history, and the people who have nothing better to do than complain about something, and the people who are offended on behalf of others even though the others were not offended in the first place.

So no complaints about you or your post, please be assured, regards Ivan

[Keith at Tregenna]

After a busy week of pulling down slave trader statues,
UK seems happy to get back to the shops and funding
millionaire’s trading cheap goods made by forced child
labour.

K.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Arrests, booze and bikers: Here’s what happened at the All Lives Matter protest in Bristol.

Less than a week after the statue of Edward Colston in Bristol City Centre was torn down by protesters, around 400 football fans, bikers, veterans, and other white men gathered for an All Lives Matter protest to pretend to “protect the cenotaph”.

It could’ve been a rugby match, with chants of “England” ringing out, accompanied by God Save The Queen, and Swing Lo’ Sweet Chariot.

The protesters started gathering from 11am in front of the cenotaph, many with bags of beer and cider. The All Lives Matter protesters were mainly white men over 30. There were few women, and no black/ BAME people either.

As tensions rose, police with riot gear separated protesters. By 1pm, tensions were high as protesters were shouting about “left wing media scum”, and called Black Lives Matter protesters “racists”.

At 3:30pm crowds surged around the Colston plinth, where a man stood on top holding the Union Jack flag, leading the mob in chants of “England” and other slogans, while confronting the police holding the line.

Another day of free speech and controversy in Bristol.

[happy daze john in oz]

It is amazing at time where some people get the information from.
Rioters and looters attacking the police and others not really knowing why, just something that was said or happened and off they go.
But most have little or no understanding of the history behind the event, no one to teach them, no one to guide them.
Very often the younger generation who have little or no worldly knowledge, have never been out of the country, think that what they have seen goes on all the time all over the world.
They think police brutality is the normal way of life and that any one who comes into contact with them has their life in danger.
What a sad situation the world is now in, along with the shut down caused by the virus.

But some green shoots are appearing, bars and restaurants are beginning to open, workers are returning to work, schools are back.

In some countries such as Cambodia, almost totally Chinese owned, the factories making the 'made in China' clothing will be back at work, a situation that will please them.
When no work no wages, but with the work comes all the benefits that the Chinese give them, unlike the slaves of years gone by they are treated as valuable commodities as we have witnessed.

But the proposed plan by some govs to remove statues and put them in a museum reminds me of the Jodi Mitchell song,
'They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum and charged all the people a dollar and a half just to see them'

Locked away in such a manner there will be even less opportunities for the younger generation to learn.