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#50... Quite agree Braid. Also if I was a business man I would like to employ who I wanted male or female of whatever creed I found beneficial and not be earmarked as racist or homophobic by the brain washed masses when didnt employ people to suit the wishes of the goody goody brigade. Unions as a bargaining power was the only way the working man of bye gone years had to raise his living standards, not so important now except in the case of imported cheap labour which does no one any good as is only a temporary profit maker for those who use. Think it was in the late 70"s that individual bargaining was brought out by Numast, which meant that each individual company had its own seagoing member as a bargaining voice with the owner, he could have a union rep with him if he desired. However this courtesy was not extended to non union ships and they remained in the doldrums, underpaid underfed and raped morally by the shipowner and rather think this still applies to date, so there is a real necessity for some control there. The best and only example I can make as regards British ships is once again the stand by boats in the North Sea, some of the Lowestoft companies were paying their seamen anything from 15 to 20 pounds a day and a days leave for every week at sea, this meant that after 4 days at home they had to go on the dole or straight back to sea. After the PA I was contacted by Yorkshire Television who wanted to do a series on the shipping side of the industry, I said I was returning to sea the following day, but gave them the phone number of someone who I knew would give an honest account of same. Myself I did not want to get into a political argument which I knew I couldn't win. However on my return home 6 weeks later she again phoned and said her producer had other work to catch up on and this program was being put on hold. After doing a program on the rigs in the North Sea, the one on the shipping side viz. the info. they got was never shown as such. I strongly believe it was stopped by higher authority who didnt want to be embarrassed. Cheers JS
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General Secretaries out of the bunch of them i think Jim Scot would have been a good one but he died not long after being elected!
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Charlie I strongly question the morality and ethics of government when they come out and say certain members of certain industries are being overpaid. On the moral side how can they say this when imported cheap labour pays little or no income tax. The country relies on this income for survival. The same thing applies in the UK the average immigrant from the Middle East doesn't even know what the word means as have never paid in their own countries and will avoid like the plague in their present abode, thus increasing the black economy, the government is increasing their debt when they back the manufacturer or employers of work forces in a decrease in wages. Their reasoning defies all logic as to the countries ability to provide the services which the normal inhabitants rightly expect. If the UK can support the huge masses from abroad which are all extra to the welfare system now, does no one ever ask what happened to all the extra money they must have had before being landed with this unwanted mass of humanity. Or do they just employ dodgy accountants. JS As an addition to this post if any foreign worker in this country can prove he is paying tax in another on his earnings, he is not liable for tax in Australia. If I am wrong on this some clarification would be appreciated. Cheers JS
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Originally Posted by
Jim Brady
Vic in the past
There is one thing about it nobody had their home repossessed because of the tube driver I wonder how many did because of our Financial Advisor.
Regards.
jim.B.
what a nasty little man
I can tell you that nobody had their house reposesed through me and there have been many thanked me at their retirement and several widows kept their house through me "selling" their husbands insurance.
You make every situation a them and us and I don't see how you can defend people on 52000 per week plus a very generous pension arrangement who are asked to extend the overall working day by 3-4 hours (bearing in mind they are allegedly on a 32 hour week).I think you will find that once the scheme starts they will fighting for the extra hours to get the fat bonus.
In your ill advised support of the greedy unions do you not think about the commuting shop girl or waitress struggling to get to work in london to support her children and will probably lose a days wages.I know that my daughter could not get into work although fortunately didn't lose as she was able to attend a board meeting on Skype.
If you want to defend unions think about our car industry .shipbuilding, engineering etc etc.All these decimated by union restrictive practices.
My suggestion to you is to throw away your hat as your always talking through it(but then you,d continue to talk through your arxe)
As for the hatred.This all comes from you.In addition I have spent may years as a "working" man doing jobs that train drivers would probably turn down
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Jim Brady
but what I cannot stand is people on here who are full of hatred against people like the tube drivers or anybody else who may decide to withdraw their labour and belong to a union which they are quite entitled to.
Regards.
jim.B.
I have searched the posts but regret I cannot find anything stated that could equate to 'hatred'
Alas I have find a lot of bile directed against so called 'white' collar workers and those who have the temerity to have a different point of view to those of a'blue' collar persuasion
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john sutton
what a nasty little man
I can tell you that nobody had their house reposesed through me and there have been many thanked me at their retirement and several widows kept their house through me "selling" their husbands insurance.
You make every situation a them and us and I don't see how you can defend people on 52000 per week plus a very generous pension arrangement who are asked to extend the overall working day by 3-4 hours (bearing in mind they are allegedly on a 32 hour week).I think you will find that once the scheme starts they will fighting for the extra hours to get the fat bonus.
In your ill advised support of the greedy unions do you not think about the commuting shop girl or waitress struggling to get to work in london to support her children and will probably lose a days wages.I know that my daughter could not get into work although fortunately didn't lose as she was able to attend a board meeting on Skype.
If you want to defend unions think about our car industry .shipbuilding, engineering etc etc.All these decimated by union restrictive practices.
My suggestion to you is to throw away your hat as your always talking through it(but then you,d continue to talk through your arxe)
As for the hatred.This all comes from you.In addition I have spent may years as a "working" man doing jobs that train drivers would probably turn down
as a matter of interest the statement "I wouldn't get out of bed for that money".Its true.I,ve been retired for 19 years and I wouldn't get out of bed for 10 times that
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When I was redundant from ESSO when they gave up ship owning they paid us all off with a lump sum redundancy payment.
They also provided us with Financial Advisers. To advise us how to invest our money wisely and not blow it in the alehouse where I have seen many men do.
The Financial Advisers did a good job, I still have, 28 years later, far more money than I started with. at that time I was broke, the wife had run off with another fella, took all my savings, in the Red at the bank, I had a mortgage on the house, and two young lads at home at school,
The Financial Advisers later got me sorted, I thought I was going to lose my home, and then I saw the benefits of the investments rolling in.
I have spent thousands every year on cruising around the world, got two houses, and still got many thousands more than I started with, all due to the Advice of Financial Advisers.
Without them I would be skint again.
So thanks to them I am enjoying my retirement,
I had a dispute with the MN Pension Fund when they cut my pension and wanted a few thousand back off me as they said they had overpaid me. I called the Union, they said, "Our Hands are tied, Nothing to do with us. " even tho` I was a fully paid up member. I had to sort it out myself and got my money back.
So I would rather have a good Financial Adviser than a Union Delegate.
Every Man is in charge of his own Destiny,
Brian.
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#57... If that was Numast Brian, I can quite see why. Although most thought they were a union they were mostly an old boys club. Their first title being the Merchant Navy and airline officers Association. I was always a member as it was reckoned they insured you for loss of employment. In later life I never saw anybody get such assistance from, they were then a partial job agency and believe by now are called something else and that is what they are more or less a job centre for marine employment. I don't think they have too much to say which today is relevant to the Marine world as we knew it. If however you wanted to make any statement they would put in the Telegraph their monthly paper, word for word, not like the public Gazettes who printed what and where they wanted and out of context. The Telegraph would print it word for word including spelling mistakes and bad grammar. Never really saw them speak a word out of place or in anger, unless it was someone elses. Unlike being a member of the Nautical Institute who refused to print anything in which they may of upset anyone, which on refusing to print an article they immediately received cancellation of my subscription. There are too few people in the world who speak their mind and who go along with the mainstream afraid to upset the applecart, which is why so many crooks prove a life of crime is a very advantageous career. Cheers JS
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Originally Posted by
Ivan Cloherty
I have searched the posts but regret I cannot find anything stated that could equate to 'hatred'
Alas I have find a lot of bile directed against so called 'white' collar workers and those who have the temerity to have a different point of view to those of a'blue' collar persuasion
I have searched this post and I cannot find the person of a "blue" collar persuasion.As I was a white collar worker from leaving the sea until I retired (40 years)yes I wore a suit every day and drove a company car changed every three years I haven't found any bile directed at me.who is this "blue" collared scoundrel he needs to be exposed.
John Sutton I will reply to you but at the moment not in the mood just going to have a kip.
Regards.
Jim.B.
