i think that is what will happen jim ......the people will not vote to come out ......but anything he can gain in our favour is a plus ....at least he is adament about non of the african quotas from italy will be taken in here .....we have enough.......quote from a member from oz on holiday here .......in london it was spot the white man .........so many of our cities have this scenario.......enough means enough .......as cool hand luke said what we have here is a failure to communicate ....ie no means no........regards cappy