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    Good evening
    I have just discovered that my Grandmother was registered as a MN stewardess in the 1920s. Her husband later became Captain and OBE. I have no idea if they served together on the same vessel. Research time ��

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    #51...Chris did you have any luck with information from St. James Palace or would they not divulge information. ? It is a condition of acceptance for such Orders as your relative had that all his movements should if possible be notified to them, and also they were notified on a holders death. Basically I should imagine , so that the number of Awards in existance to live recipients should be known to allow for any future ones. Every such Award there are a limited amount available in the Orders of Knighthood which a lot of people dont realize, and is strictly adhered to , the higher up the fewer Awards are allowed. I am asking so as to increase my own knowledge of the system. Thanks. JWS
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    Hi John
    Good to hear from you Sir. No I didnt get in touch with St James Palace. It is something I will add to my list as it looks like I may be going on furlough soon. Capt William Hare`s father was William James Hare, listed as Mariner in his wedding record and absent Sailor at Capt Williams birth. Do you feel these terms refer to MN, RN or RNVR perhaps? I have not been successful in tracking him down.

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    Myself think it will refer to his status as a merchant seaman. Think if remember they ask you when registering for a marriage certificate what you do for a living, on mine it says 2nd. mate in the merchant service. This was in 1962 however, Think if he had been RN it would probably have said for vocation , member of HM armed forces. In 1963 if asked the same question would have said 1st mate in the Merchant service. Today if have to fill in any forms requiring past history , just put in retd. Master Mariner or even just Mariner. Please also bear in mind the term captain is a military title only legally, When you call a ships master captain it is a complimentary term, or at least used to be. The proper term for being in command of a merchant ship is Master. Just think of the Genii coming out of the magic lamp and given you 3 wishes. Cheers JS
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    Sailed on a few ships with officers wives on board & in general they were very good & appreciated the catering crew , however on my first ship from Buries Markes the 3rd officers wife was horrendous & thought she could bully & boss the stewards about , she eventually learned the rights of her wrongs. 😂😂😂😂

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    I was on a F.P.S.O. in the North sea for a while which used to have a coup!e of stewardess on board, 2 on each crew change. 4 were really good and worth their position on board, the other 2 used to get off the chopper every trip and take to their cabin for 3 days claiming seasickness, then it would be the wrong time, couldn't manage the stairs carrying anything.
    I couldn't think how they managed to keep their job, I reckon if it was a guy they wouldn't get a second trip.
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    We come from a segment of the world who are. Inclined to put their women on a pedestal , which I am all in favour of as know it is the normal nature of man to chase , it is in most cases it is the other way round however ,and the word is allure by the female of any species , apart from some animal groups where the female eats the male.However in other parts of the world the opposite is in effect and they are treated despicably and looked on as inferior beings . The in between answer that most women groups shout for is also I believe unattainable , as a man and a woman are both different by size, general thinking, general habits, bodily functions and most things in general. However a man and woman both compliment each other , and both need each other for survival of the species . Why anyone wants to change natural habits I fail to understand. Cheers JS...
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    As to women working on ships I view as similar to women working elsewhere , but on ships more so as can be a dangerous occupation. My views are on married women. I was brought up in an era where It was considered that a man would only ask a woman to marry him if he thought he could support her and any family they produced. I speak for myself only that I would feel less than a man if I couldn’t do this , I know of many elderly single men if you ask them why they never married will also give a similar reply , that they couldn’t afford it. The last war brought women into the work force and married ones as well, and things never went back to normal. Most families where both partners are in the workforce may today be through force of necessity but in some cases is just pure greed. Women today are not like yesteryear either, if you find one who is you should court her as fast as possible even more so if she is untarnished by tattoos , which I find repulsive on most women. I am pleased I have been able to live up to my own sense of morals which does not suit today’s menagerie of type cast persons. Cheers JS
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    The same thing happened in the Fire Service just before i retired, the Fire Service on the front line is mainly a physical job, requiring strength to pull horses from ditches, heavy fire hoses, wearing breathing apparatus, and when i joined there were test to determine your strength, including picking a man up, and running i think it was 50 yrds in a given time. The do gooders took up the call that we did not have women in the job, after that the physical tests were deemed not necessary , and also minimum height test measurements and chest (probably the only one some women would have passed), etc etc, and so the women were introduced to the job.t, i would ask how they think they could drag a pregnant cow from the bottom of a ditch ?, this was sheer hard work that required bloody great big brawny blokes, and of course with just a male crew the language as used at sea when hauling equipment could be used, all banned with female crews, kt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Tindell View Post
    The same thing happened in the Fire Service just before i retired, the Fire Service on the front line is mainly a physical job, requiring strength to pull horses from ditches, heavy fire hoses, wearing breathing apparatus, and when i joined there were test to determine your strength, including picking a man up, and running i think it was 50 yrds in a given time. The do gooders took up the call that we did not have women in the job, after that the physical tests were deemed not necessary , and also minimum height test measurements and chest (probably the only one some women would have passed), etc etc, and so the women were introduced to the job.t, i would ask how they think they could drag a pregnant cow from the bottom of a ditch ?, this was sheer hard work that required bloody great big brawny blokes, and of course with just a male crew the language as used at sea when hauling equipment could be used, all banned with female crews, kt
    I wonder if they are required to observe Health and Safety Guidelines, the recommended max lifting weight for men is 25kgs and 18kgs for women (or thereabouts), surely contravenes equality of sexes, there's going to lots of cows left in ditches if they stick to that.

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