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    Noticed Montana hence asked.

    All the best.

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    Frank, you say you have the voyage planned there and back, can you tell us initial port of departure and port of discharge, again on the return voyage what are your ports of call, are there any intermediate ports on both passages. The reason i ask, is that you don't want to be loading or discharging cargoes that don't exist on the routes you have chosen. What year are the voyages being undertaken. Is your American 3rd mate a young man or an old man, some American 3rd mates used to be in their sixties, and some are happy being in that position and not interested in promotion, they may have had ambition earlier on, but perhaps family reasons of one type or another didn't allow them to spend unpaid time ashore going for their tickets (or Licences, as the USA calls them) although the correct names for ours are Certificates of Competency.

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    The 3rd mate is a young man who came up through the ranks. He put in hi sea time and passed his exams. Of course he wants to be captain one day. This is his first voyage as 3rd mate. His first voyage on a tramp steamer.
    The voyage start in New York city. The tramp normally hauls grain from Canada. It has been chartered to haul general cargo for a mysteries man to Jarvis Island in the Pacific. When they stop in Los Angeles to take on more coal and pick up the passenger another ship follows them out of port. I think going through the Panama Canal should be a scene.
    From NYC to the canal the third mate familiarizes the reader to the ship and crew. Not sure how to handle the other deck officers and the captain

    Yep, Montana. I came home after 30 years away. Far from the ocean, close to the mountains. Damn good place to live

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    Well it's your novel Frank, going from NY to Panama looks fine, but Panama to Los Angeles to pick up more bunkers will add about 10 days to your Pacific Island passage, not that I can find Jarvis Island in my maritime atlas. It would add a lot of cost to the voyage, perhaps your mystery man could board in Panama, as Panama in those days was always mysterious (the Caribbean's Casablanca). Coal bunkers were available in Colon and Balboa

    A 3rd mates duties leaving or entering port he would normally be on the bridge along with the Master, Quartermaster (helmsman) and Pilot. 3/m would be stationed at the telegraph ringing it to Pilot's advice and Master's orders, he would make a note of the order received and at what time in what is known as the 'movement book' The time will have to be taken from the bridge clock on the for'd bulkhead, which will have been synchronised with the clock in the engineroom [(ER) who will be keeping their own movement book], prior to departure the steering gear and ship's whistle will also have been tested. Also in the bridge movement book times will be kept, pilot boarding and his name, singling up, lines let go for'd and aft, tugs made fast, names, time and time let go and departed, time pilot disembarked, time of passing Fairway Buoy, time engines rung 'Full Away' which is normally a double ring ahead telling the engineers that there will be no more manouvers until arrival next port (excepting emergencies). This movement book is an important document in any legal procedures should something happen entering or leaving port, any erasures are not allowed, crossing out with a single stroke is permitted, as long as entry is still legible. Any erasures could cost you the court case (if any)

    All aboard, we're coming with you Frank

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    lol, come aboard. After all, it is our novel!

    Good point about cutting out LA.

    thanks for the info on the 3rd mate

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    When you sort book two have them call in at Cardiff, Wales would give a welcome.

    LOL.

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    Jarvis Island (/ˈdʒɑːrvɪs/; formerly known as Bunker Island or Bunker's Shoal) is an uninhabited 1 3⁄4-square-mile (4.5 km2) coral island located in the South Pacific Ocean, about halfway between Hawaii and the Cook Islands.[1] It is an unincorporated, unorganized territory of the United States, administered by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service of the United States Department of the Interior as part of the National Wildlife Refuge system.[2] Unlike most coral atolls, the lagoon on Jarvis is wholly dry.

    The destination can change. What I looked for was a deserted island in the Pacific. Big enough to build a lab and tower

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    Frank, just adding to the above, on approaching Panama the 3/m's duties would be the same, but all orders would come from the Pilot, the Master would take over in only extreme cases. The Panama canal is the only place in the world where the Master relinquishes command to the Pilot. During the transit 12 -16 hours the 1/m, 2/m, 3/m would share the bridge duties, except when transiting the Locks, when the 3/m would be on the bridge, the 1/m on the foc'le head and the 2/m at the stern, that was normal British procedure, but I have served on vessels where it varied, as some Masters wanted their officers to experience all aspects of docking/undocking. One Master always had the 1/m on the bridge when docking/undocking as it thought it more sensible to have the most experienced man there in case he had a heart attack. Must have had that experience as a young officer and most of us sailed immediately post war where-in a young man set sail in a lowly office and because of war circumstances/casualties found himself in an elevated position bypassing the usual steps up the ladder

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    Thought you had spelt deckhead wrong , then realised you probably had , but had 2 choices of getting it right and chose the one being the polite man you are. What happened to doc ( cook) and belly robber ( ch,stwd.) sparky ( battery boy) and lecky the man with the golden fuse.Harry Tate the mate, cheers can see more coming . JS
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    Now therein lies a story can anyone describe these hidden sea cocks on a vessel. I repeat vessel . I have it on good authority that the one and only vessel blown up by the IRA in Irish waters by the Chief Engineer, his captor at the time was also under the impression that these hidden sea cocks were ready available, and the chief had to point out where to plant the usual charges to blow off ship side valves to allow the ingress of water. Some people will do anything to be able to get ashore for a drink. JS. Already in a post somewhere . The ship foundered until it touched bottom where half was above water , it was later refloated. She had a cargo of coal I believe from Blyth. Being a saturday night every one was landed ashore by the IRA and finished up at the local dance , when the old man phoned up the owners and told them, they heard the music in the backgound and thought everyone had gone adrift and told to get back to the ship. The crowd reckoned that those buying them drinks had been their recent captors but couldnt be too sure as were wearing balaclavas at the time. So much for having beliefs of Sea Cocks. Not of the type at least that those peace loving chappies were looking for anyway. Cheers JS
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