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    Hi

    I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this question. I will try anyway.

    My Grandfather Sydney Montague Newman died at sea on 1st June 1921 at age 38yrs whilst Master of a ship named Singapore. My Grandmother never talked about him and I never asked her any questions, which I regret. Is there anywhere I can find out, of what he died and where at sea he would have been buried. Also if there are any details of his service I can find too.

    I would be grateful for any help, please.

    Yours Jill Jenner

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    Hello Jill
    You can find info at the following Link (Paid Subscription) deaths at Sea
    https://search.findmypast.co.uk/sear...parish-records

    I will look and see if there is a Seamans Pouch for him
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    So far no records but there were several Ships of that name ,at a wild guess i picked one Built 1895 belonging to the P&O Shipping Company which may be the one he was on.
    There are Crew Lists for that Ship at Kew! Official Number 102400 so may be worth asking for a copy
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...BT+381&_hb=tna

    The black hole in the records: 1858-1913

    Between 1858 and the First World War the Merchant Navy did not keep registers of its seamen. This means that for these years the only record you are likely to find of an individual merchant seaman is his appearance in agreements and crew lists, for which you usually need to know the names of the ships he served on.
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    First name(s) Sydney Montague
    Last name Newman
    Age 38
    Birth year 1883
    Birth date 1883
    Birth place London
    Death year 1921
    Death date 1 Jun 1921
    Death place At Sea
    Place Singapore
    County At Sea
    Country At Sea
    Type At Sea
    Vessel name Singapore
    Departure port -
    War -
    Source Deaths At Sea 1891 – 1972
    Archive reference BT 334
    Box 0080
    Page 184
    Archive The National Archives
    Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
    Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
    Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
    Collections from Great Britain, UK None


    So date of Death is 1st June and he is Buried in Singapore ,same name as his Ship.
    The actual place i cannot make out but it is there on the Pic possibly someone can ID it for you its in the 5th column
    Cheers

    Newman.jpg

    This is the Ship that he was on not the previous one i posted.

    Cargo Ship
    Subsequent History:

    24 CHESHAM - 31 BAKAR - 36 CHESHAM
    Disposal Data:

    BU Port Glasgow 1q.38 [Smith & Houston]

    You will now need the Ships log for that time ,how to get that though at this point i do not know.
    Someone may!??? The Log should show what happened etc.

    Agreements and crew lists often also contain integral logs giving details of ships and voyages.


    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/C2479902 ??????????????


    Separate Logs
    The National Archives (BT 165, Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Ships' Official Logs, 1905-1912 and 1914-1918)
    Crew Agreements
    The National Archives (BT 98, 1835-1860; BT 99, 10% sample covering 1861-1938 & 1950-1994)
    National Maritime Museum (90 per cent coverage)
    Maritime History Archive (1863-1977 excluding years covered by TNA and the NMM)
    Merseyside Maritime Museum (Maritime Archives and Library: The library holds registers of merchant ships and records of the major shipping companies operating from Liverpool; records of the port of Liverpool, local trade associations, shipping companies, merchant houses, port services, charities and ship builders; plans, photographs and oral tapes. A series of detailed information sheets dealing with the maritime research are available at the web site)
    Imperial War Museum
    (Collections include photos, art, souvenirs, ephemera, recordings and newspapers, journals and books)
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    There seems to be an official Log for that Year and Ship here.

    https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/view...cial_No=123729

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    Title: Agreement and Account of Crew (Foreign-Going Ship).
    Description: Contained information on the particulars of engagement and discharge for one voyage.
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    Thank you for your help. I will try to find out more using the details you have suggested.

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