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[Ivan Cloherty]

Tony (W)

Further my post #12

The gentleman from WW was Mr John Marquis

When they put WW vessels under CL they wanted London names so named two vessels "Putney" and "Mortlake"

but the Deep Sea boys complained as they were not certain what ships they would be joining, at the same time CL took over Queenships so it was decided to change the WW names to co-ordinate with the Queen ships, also Reg Rate from Queen ships joined CL and he worked closely with John Marquiss

So "Putney" became "Balmoral Queen" and "Mortlake" became "Windsor Queen"

The "Putney" was originally the "Cardiffbrook" and I think the "Mortlake" was the "Warwickbrook" but not certain on this latter ship

That's about as far as my addled memory will go so far.

Went onboard one of the "Wendover" class in Australia once, must say that WW certainly gave all crew members sumptuous cabins and messrooms etc compared to vessels in some of the so-called good companies

[Tony Wilding]

IT would have been a nasty suprise expecting a W class deep sea ship, then find u was on a coaster, !

[Gulliver]

Starting and Finishing Points of the Boat Race !


I know ,in the interests of accuracy that Ivan won't mind me correcting some info about the motor vessels Putney and Mortlake..


The 2 vessels were not the Cardiffbrook or Warwickbrook,although one of them was the Windsorbrook.

　
　
(1) BALMORAL QUEEN (1,423 grt) (O.N. 168594)
　
started out as RAMBLER ROSE built 7/54 by John Lewis,Aberdeen for Hughes Holden Sg.Co,Swansea.
1961 to O.Dorey & Sons.Ltd,Guernsey.Renamed BELVEDERE
1965 to Watts Watts(Britain SS) Renamed PUTNEY,then in the same year BALMORAL QUEEN
1968 Owners stated as Eskgarth Sg.Co,London.
1969 Sold to a succession of Greek and Cypriot owners.First rename was SOLEN…
Broken Up Limassol 1980



(2) WINDSOR QUEEN (1,036 grt) O.N. 187479)
Started out as WINDSORBROOK built 11/56 by Bodewes G & H,Martenshoek,Netherlands for Williamstown Sg.Co.Ltd,London.
1963 Sold to Wm.France,Fenwick.Renamed NORDGAS
1965 Renamed LOCKWOOD
1965 To Watts,Watts.Renamed MORTLAKE
1966 Renamed WINDSOR QUEEN
1969 Sold to Finnish owners,renamed WALLONA,then to Greeks,then to Honduran owners.
Deleted from registry 1994.

[Ivan Cloherty]

No objection at all Gulliver, it was from memory, I know I did the purchase surveys on them on behalf of WW/CL, but looking after 22 ships and surveying others over a period of time, things tend to go awry, so my apologies to Tony (W) for any misleading information.

Pickfords lost most of my notes, records, photos etc during one of my periodic moves (no computers then for backup) it was in the 60's and 70's, that's a long time ago!

CL managed for many companies including Esgarths,Hargreaves and others but all sailed under the CL banner but not names or funnels

[Tony Wilding]

i have a photo of mortlake, but cant upload it. it says its bitmap, needs to be jpg, have downsized it but cant convert to jpg, ? tony, w.

[Tony Wilding]

i managed to convert it, mv mortlake.

[Minstrel]

What fate befell Conmben Longstaffs? Sailed on Mendip Prince - good little runner down the Med.

Minstrel

[Ivan Cloherty]

What fate befell Conmben Longstaffs? Sailed on Mendip Prince - good little runner down the Med.

Minstrel

Its a long story, CL was sold to Consolidated Gold Fields (CGF) in the 1960's the company started to reduce its fleet in 1980 and got into bed with amongst others Ropners, Everards and the ships were integrated with the Everards fleet, but retained the "Brook" names and served in the Falklands conflict,
The last of the Brook names disappeared about 1991.

It was one of the better coasting and middle trade company's that diverted into deep sea, and perhaps that was its undoing, only my opinion

Ivan

[Bob Montgomery]

I was surprised to see the "Queen ships " were managed by WW I was on the Celtic Queen during the later part of 57 and always thought it was "Queenship Navigation Co" still these are the little snippets that keep us interested ........ a school mate of mine did a couple of trips as a cadet with WW likely late 50,s early 60,s left and joined the army !!!!!he was an the Wanstead & Wendover I think ????

[jim dolan]

just seeing the name watts watts brings back happy memorries, i sailed on the windsor in july 1962 it was trip to remember.::