Climate rears up again

[Ivan Cloherty]

The planet will do what the planet has always done, follow its own path, and if any man thinks he can alter that, then he is deluding himself

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Ivan.
You are talking about Planet Trump I suppose?
Des

[happy daze john in oz]

Then there is that small round coin, the almighty dollar.
That will have more effect on what happens above all else man does.

Man is his own worst enemy and will in the end destroy himself.

Read a bit the other day about Hydrogen vehicles, some trucks are in use in UK ??

Toyota here in Oz are
doing a lot to promote it as they consider the Ev to only be a part of the future short term until Hydrogen can become the major player.

[James Curry]

John , been running Hydrogen powered buses for several years now in several cities.
Wright Bus now owned by JCB planned to have 3000 Hydrogen buses by the end of last year.
The UK are well on the road in the developement of Hydrogen powered vehicles.
The Germans are running a fleet of Htdrogen trains and have placed a large order for the Hyrogen Wright Bus.

Sales of hydrogen buses this year have included a deal in May to supply German operator RVK with up to 60 Hydroliners over the subsequent two years. Wrightbus in September signed an agreement with the Queensland government in Australia to supply its hydrogen fuel cell power train technology to bus operator Transdev.

Wrightbus has supplied nearly all of the 100 or so hydrogen buses in service in the UK today and Chairman Jo Bamford has said he plans to put 3,000 hydrogen buses on the streets by 2024.

Similar progress has been made in hydrogen fuel cell trains this year. The world’s first fleet of hydrogen-powered passenger trains went into service outside Hamburg in August. Germany will have 14 zero-emission hydrogen trains running by early 2023, each of which is capable of running the entire day on a single tank.



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Pictured: Wrightbus’ hydrogen fuel-cell buses have covered 1.5 million miles since entering service, the company announced this week, preventing tonnes of planet-warming carbon dioxide entering the atmosphere in the process.

[Doug Hardie]

More Hydrogen less Wind & P*** .This is part of the solution!we need more of this and an honest approach to a combined low carbon technology that is effective realistic and above all free from political meddling and posturing Allow the Brains of society to come up with these Solutions and enable them to be implemented.Whilst allowing a more measured approach to phasing out Fossil dependence while pushing ahead with New and Repurposed Technologies
Doug

[happy daze john in oz]

It is the most simple and cost effective way to go.

Two bits of interest today, one the UK gov it sounds is to subsidize the only wood burning power station in UK,
Never knew there was such a thing.

Second, here in Oz it has been suggested that Ev ownership is a sign of 'one upmanship'
Though some 95% are on a lease.

Tesla sales have gone over the cliff as well.

Daily more items on the race to oblivion with renewables and why power is getting more expensive as a result..
things not as the gov thought, the race to 2030net zero has been pushed back some 5 years.

But no one will explain how to get to net zero which when you dig into it is an imposibility.

[James Curry]

It is the most simple and cost effective way to go.

Two bits of interest today, one the UK gov it sounds is to subsidize the only wood burning power station in UK,
Never knew there was such a thing.

Second, here in Oz it has been suggested that Ev ownership is a sign of 'one upmanship'
Though some 95% are on a lease.

Tesla sales have gone over the cliff as well.

Daily more items on the race to oblivion with renewables and why power is getting more expensive as a result..
things not as the gov thought, the race to 2030net zero has been pushed back some 5 years.

But no one will explain how to get to net zero which when you dig into it is an imposibility.

Drax was a coal fired power station , I understand they converted from coal to wood pellets as a fuel source.
They have also said they will reduce the subsidies to Drax.

You have to wonder at the wisdom of some minsiters.

In a Ministerial statement, Energy Minister Michael Shanks said that Drax would have to reduce its operations so that its energy came on stream when output dropped from solar and wind power fell.

I wonder does he actually know what is involved in bringing a boiler or 2 online just because the wind speed has dropped. It is not just a matter of striking a match and light a few sticks.

The power station in Yorkshire is one of the biggest sources of power in the UK, and has switched from its former coal burning units to biomass over the last few years.

[Tony Taylor]

Drax was a coal fired power station , I understand they converted from coal to wood pellets as a fuel source.
They have also said they will reduce the subsidies to Drax.

You have to wonder at the wisdom of some minsiters.

In a Ministerial statement, Energy Minister Michael Shanks said that Drax would have to reduce its operations so that its energy came on stream when output dropped from solar and wind power fell.

I wonder does he actually know what is involved in bringing a boiler or 2 online just because the wind speed has dropped. It is not just a matter of striking a match and light a few sticks.

The power station in Yorkshire is one of the biggest sources of power in the UK, and has switched from its former coal burning units to biomass over the last few years.

There has to be a big question about the Drax operation where carbon footprint is concerned; the wood pellets are processed in the USA with many complaints by people living near the plants processing the wood.
The pellets are then transported to a few ports in the US where they are loaded onto bulkers of around 40 - 50,000tonnes then shipped to the Tyne.
Arrivals at the Tyne are approximately weekly and it is common to see one discharging with another waiting at anchor. It can take several days to discharge as the cargo is loaded onto trains which take the cargo to Selby (near Drax). It can take up to 12 train loads to transport one cargo.
I reckon the carbon footprint is pretty high before any wood is burnt.

[Ivan Cloherty]

I reckon the carbon footprint is pretty high before any wood is burnt.

It would appear Tony in many aspects of our Government they have never heard the old adage 'If it sounds too good to be true, then its not true' but lets face it, they go from school to university then into a researcher position for some back bench politician and that is their experience of life on the front line. Of course some think that because they took a gap-year to work it qualifies them on life's experiences, even though most only survive because of the Bank of Mum and Dad. In politics its mostly a case of the blind leading the blind, although it is now probably against the law to say that.

[j.sabourn]

What was wrong with just updating the Clean Air Acts , without putting all the fear and fallacy out to the world with the title like Climate Change.? Climate has always been a factor of the earth even long before man existed.
Still blame one man for the basic cause of the birth of the controversy , a failed to get elected President of the U.S.A . Must have needed a hobby for all the spare time he found he had. JS