Entering for the last time!

[Doc Vernon]

Carnival Fantasy

Although not a great Fan of the new type Ships its always sad to see any Ship when it is due for going to Scrap! Wonder how the Capt feels who is grounding her!
What a complete waste at times, surely many of these Ships should still have a good few Years left in them.
But thats life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1a6772DuCs

[happy daze john in oz]

There are a number of reasons why such ships are scrapped.
It may well be the cost of refurbishment if the ship is old would be too costly.

Some of the smaller ones, and she was, are no longer economical as the new ones rely on economy of scale.

Some are past their use by date and the scrap value may be more than the ship would fetch if put up for sale.

[Keith at Tregenna]

A dying industry does not help much either.

K.

[j.sabourn]

The main reason at one time for scrapping ships was ... metal fatigue. The same as people they reach the limits of their life span. JS

[Doc Vernon]

There are a number of reasons why such ships are scrapped.


What about Greed! Get rid of that as we dont make enough Money on her any longer, we can get bigger and more effecient ones ,which mean less Crew and more Profit in our Sky Rockets


Compared to a lot of other and older Ships she was not really that old , 30 Years is not a long time for a Ship surely! We had many Ships in our time a lot older that that!?

Detailed Ship Information: Carnival Fantasy The Ship. Built in 1990 and refurbished in 2008, the Carnival Fantasy gives her name to Carnival's Fantasy Class of cruise ships. At approximately 70,000 tons, she accommodates about

[Ivan Cloherty]

Possibly nothing to do with greed Doc, but pure economics, even ships built only 8 - 10 years ago are subject to new rules which came into force on 1st January 2020 regarding fuels used for main as well as auxiliary engines and their fuel sulphur content, as from that date all vessels have to be fitted with scrubbers to clean the emissions. These scrubbers are huge and have to be individually designed for each vessel, when you retro fit these the scrubber takes 2-3 months to design and requires even on a cargo ship 8 - 10 weeks to install, there is insufficient space underdeck in the engineroom to fit these square shaped monstrosities and are normally fitted abaft the funnel on deck and are larger than the funnel. You can imagine the work and cost entailed in fitting these into an old cruise ship and how they would look and alter the vessel's profile in a detrimental manner where image is all in important. As these rules have been known about for about 6 - 7 years it has been possible for naval architects to integrate these scrubbers into the design for new buildings and thus avoid the ugly square boxes, owners of all ships, regardless of flag, who do not have these sulphur reducing scrubbers fitted are liable to heavy fines by port authorities and in some instances refused port entry, unless they can cold connect to shore electricity and shut down all engines, unfortunately only a score of ports offer this facility. An amnesty on scrubbers is in force at the moment because manufacturers cannot meet demand and covid-19 has further reduced production. So as you can see greed has probably got little to do with it, and selling the ships on will not cure the problem, but bring the new owners big headaches and is probably the underlying factor why so many are being scrapped, it is not only cruise ships which are being affected, modern container vessels are also, as fitting the scrubbers takes so much deck space and obstructs access to underdeck space reduces container space dramatically, combined with an over capacity of container vessels some as young as 7 years old are heading for the scrapyard. Hope this gives a better picture of cause and effect.

[j.sabourn]

Think I mentioned once before, I worked in the office when my leave ran out one time and had the ledgers from 1946 at my disposal in 1946 the average 10,000 ton tramp if got one cargo a year that paid running costs . The ledgers were for tax purposes , the biggest claims were depreciation on hull and machinery which the owner had no control over. The next largest claim was Insurance which again he had no control over. The least expensive claims hehad was crews wages and feeding rates which he did have control over and this is where he could have a say on his profits. And he used them to his advantage. JS

[Red Lead Ted]

These ships are not built the same as ones we sailed in that where 15 20 years old, We had a Merchant Navy then and they got every ounce of life out of them often selling them on to Johnny the greek for there last legs of life. Looking at ships being beached that look sea worthy isn't always the case. Every industry in travel suffer the same fate these days. They simply don't make them like they used to. Terry

[Bill Morrison]

Doc #1. How did the master feel I wonder, they spend their whole career dreading running aground and then ordered to do so!!

[j.sabourn]

That was always a clause in a voyage charter party , especially in some dubious ports when loading and discharging “The vessel to be always afloat “. Taking soundings of water depth alongside a quay was quite ,common. Or it could be “ To lie on the bottom as is the custom of. The port.”. I think a lot of masters would take great delight to be able to run a vessel aground purposefully in a lot of cases depending on the ship. JS.