Concorde

[Shaun Gander]

Watching a tv show about this airplane.

They were 60's technology but nothing since has been the same. The only supersonic passenger aircraft that has ever existed.

Going supersonic was a bit of a let down, just felt like a bit of a lurch forward.

The security guard at JFK was trying to hurry us along, We were NO I just flew Concorde I want pictures.

I wa fortunate enough to fly one of the last flights albeit on Air France. Anyone else lucky enough?

SDG

[Rodney Mills]

Yes me. I flew from Paris to N.Y..
Rodney

[Doc Vernon]

Never had the chance to take a flight on one of the Concords but must say at that time they were very impressive by looks alone ,and that speed was quite something at that time .
It was a pity that it never actually took off ,as I am sure had they persisted something good would have become of them?? My views LOL.

I had seen them in the Air and must say they were good looking planes,.
Would have loved to have flown in one just for the excitement!

Cheers

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Shaun.
In my eyes one of the biggest puzzles of our times, why did they stop flying the Concorde? Surely it wasn't over that crash in France, nothing to do with the plane itself, but rubbish on the take off strip. It would have cut the travel time between the likes of the UK and Aus by heaps. When you see the latest crashes of the Boeing's I can see the point of grounding them, but I have never seen anything as to why they stopped the Concorde flying.
Des

[Doc Vernon]

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The Concorde was a watershed in terms of complexity and scale in aircraft design when work began on its design in 1956. Controllable supersonic flight was then a relatively new area and the understanding of the science behind the effects of compressibility and its effect on aircraft handling near the sound barrier was still in its infancy.
Design and development of a supersonic transport (SST) was a source of national pride then and the British interest in entry into the European Common Market forced them to sign a deal with the French government and arranged a joint venture between the British Aircraft Corporation and the French airplane manufacturer, Sud Aviation (later Aerospatiale) in a joint venture. Reflecting the latent nationalism on both sides the deal was signed on the basis of a national treaty rather than as a deal between two corporate entities.
Two separate aircraft, the BAC 221 and the HP 115 were built to explore the handling of large delta-winged aircraft at high and low speed ends of the flight envelope respectively and while both the British and French teams initially agreed on the design, costs and times were protracted with the projected unit cost more than tripling by the time the R&D work was over.

Fuel Costs and Sound pollution concerns[1]The Concorde design started in the era of cheap aviation fuel and as a result fuel economy was never deemed to be a constraint. The Oil crisis of the 1970 s made it extremely expensive to operate, and forced a large number of would-be operators to rethink their options.
Ironically enough, the the raison d'être for Concorde's existence -its supersonic ability also turned out to be the biggest barrier to its widespread use. Tests over Oklahoma City in the US made it clear that sonic booms from SSTs were quite capable of reaching the earth and this ushered in a new lobby of environmental concerns that pressurized governments the world over to ban Concorde's flights over land. Coupled with the oil crisis, this reduced the number of potential customers from 16 to 4 and finally 2. British Airways and Air France became the launch and only customers of the aircraft, restricting them on transatlantic crossings where supersonic flight was permitted, with both governments taking a cut of the profits.

Age and Safety concerns [2],[3]At the beginning of the 21st century the Concorde had become undeniably dated. As it had had no competition in its unique market niche, developmental pressures that had forced more conventional airlines to economize and introduce computerized flight systems had passed it by. By 2000 its cockpit still had analogue instruments and it was the only aircraft in the BA fleet that still retained the position of a flight engineer in the cockpit.Then came the much publicized crash of Flight 4590 in France where pieces of a ruptured tyre damaged a wing fuel tank during take-off leading to a subsequent fire and crash of the Concorde involved . While the accident itself was a result of an inherent danger in aviation - that of foreign object damage (FOD) - rather than the design flaw of the aircraft, it forced the shut down of all flights over a year until safety measures put in place and further extensive testing was conducted.
The first flight after the crash was on September 11th 2001, landing soon after the attacks on the WTC and whatever hope the Concorde might have had of making a come back was quickly quashed by the air travel slump that followed. The final nail in the coffin was Airbus's (inheritor of the Aerspatiale's mantle) refusal to support the maintenance and manufacture of spare parts.It was all down to Cost: The Airlines were not making back the money spent on the safety modifications and other upgrades, with some other big costs coming up (tens of millions, before any life extension programme), BA needed to write off £84M now rather than £150M in 3 or 4 years. Air France wrote off a large sum too.In April 2003, both airlines announced that they were going to retire the Concorde later that year. Richard Branson bid heavily for purchasing the fleet stating that Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate the aircraft for many years to come, but nothing came of it. While it soon became apparent that the airlines could still operate Concorde economically in the subsonic mode, the security implications in the post 9/11 world coupled by a lack of maintenance and its age finally forced the graceful yet aged giant from the skies.

[Shaun Gander]

Hi Shaun.
In my eyes one of the biggest puzzles of our times, why did they stop flying the Concorde? Surely it wasn't over that crash in France, nothing to do with the plane itself, but rubbish on the take off strip. It would have cut the travel time between the likes of the UK and Aus by heaps. When you see the latest crashes of the Boeing's I can see the point of grounding them, but I have never seen anything as to why they stopped the Concorde flying.
Des

My personal opinion is that Air France never made any money but BAA did so it was a political reason. Richard Branson wanted to fly them under the Virgin brand but was refused the tech and engneering support I've met him on more than one occasion and yes he is a media whore but also a very genuine guy and very supportive of his staff at every level and indeed to those in other jobs.

The crash was a perfect reason to end the era.

I think he could have made it work but again it would be a politicial embossment

SDG.

[happy daze john in oz]

Like so many other projects, politics got in the way.

If business was allowed to do what it does best without any political interference the world would be in far better shape than it is now.

[Samuel Denton]

I remember the bay of Biscay was boom alley when Concorde went super sonic. Thought we had had an explosion on deck one time the bang she made. I was on watch in the engine room and you could even hear her over the engines, think that was in 1972.

[vic mcclymont]

The Americans were years ahead in the design of a passenger aeroplane that could fly supersonic. They were miffed,to say the least when we over took them.
They scuppered the sales of the craft by banning supersonic flights over the USA and limited the number of their airports it could fly from.
Vic

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