rail unions

At the same time no employer is owed labour,so the employee is not considered the employer has the upper hand he's the man with the money who pays the wages,a ship without a crew couldn't have sailed so it's not all one way traffic.So all these factory's over the years didn't need anyone to work for them,just the owner ran them I think that is were strikes come in just like JB Sports now.I don't have to give you a job I can replace you tomorrow so you will put up with my conditions.Was'nt it great years ago you went for a job and you had the upper hand and could say to the employer WHAT have you got to offer me,sorry don't fancy the job don't like the money I wont be taking it.Nothing gave me great pleasure more than being in front of the personell manager in Courtaulds,he said he was prepared to give me another chance,I told him I was not prepared to give him another chance and he could lick-em-and- stickem.He said what does that mean the union guy said it means he wants his cards and he's out of here,fancy someone giving you a second chance in somewhere like Courtaulds.So I think as long as the employer has that attitude towards employees it would not be a nice place to work in,I don't owe you a job,well I never.
Regards.
Jim.B.

and that marion is what makes the world go round and give some success while others fall at the ist fence trying to employ young folk today is a nightmare so many struggle to read add up or write.....to me there is only one answer ...there home background.....usally in a home of benefit livers ..this cannot be denied ....the blame culture is always someone elses fault.....some children may need special help i am not talking of them.....iam talking of city education leeds is a prime example but then.... they want the car the gear the holidays... the impossible dream that is a gift to no one....... congrats on your family success a brighter tale than appears on the site day after day......in fact a ray of sunshine regards cappy

Hi Jim
it was Courtaulds who my Dad worked for and after 52 years from the age of 12 he was closed down because Wilson had all the Lancashire Cotton Mills closed and transferred to India and beyond, all he got was 26 shillings a month paid on the 1st of the month for the month, that was for Cancer of the Lungs caused by cotton dust., byssinosis.
He died on the 12th and two men from Courtaulds knocked on Mothers door, now a new Widow and demanded the 26 shillings back as he never lived the month. she had to take the 26 shillings from her purse. I was away at sea at the time and if I w as home I would have told them to come back and then got the TV and News papers in the garden to wait for them,
An Evil Company is Courtaulds,
Brian

#103, With that attitude you would not have been an asset to the company, works both ways Jim! Anyway what was wrong with Courtaulds? Couldn't have been that bad if you deigned to work there in the first place.

There are very few jobs for life now. The Unions had their part to play in that luxury:rolleyes:
That's whats wrong nowadays the golden goose has flown and we are left with the greetin' teenies.

jim again you put the horse before the cart .......a business is iniatally started by one or two persons often family members together .......they have an idea they borrow from the bank example to buy a ship ...they negotiate a cargo the cover insurance they then say who will sail my ship if the answer is no one they are out of business......forclosed by the bank and any guarantee is taken by the bank they probably lose everthing including a roof over there head........but on the other hand a long comes one of our captains on the site who then choses his crew......niether the captain or crew are owed a job jim they are offered a job they then decide to accept or not .....that is there right and there choice .....some like js who learned a trade in a very tough world might say stuff it that cappy is galley boy there will be trouble .....but i will go if jim brady goes galley boy ........the choices in life are small jim but nobody OWES YOU a job.....that is the point like water runs down hill it will never change.....been there seen it it done.... it got the captains hat.....even if the egg is scrambled originally from the galley ....seen it all jim got the goodies to prove it ...regards cappy

Having been an employee and an employer, I know which is the easiest and it certainly wasn't being the boss, no matter how good you were, looked after your employees, made sure their wages were secure, made sure their families were safe when they were working away, made sure that they were looked after whilst away, you always got some one who wasn't happy and wanted to sow the seeds of discontent, well my other employees always sorted them out, give some people heaven they'll want more. Anyway we're going round in circles, for some people it will always be the other persons fault, if they stepped off a pavement without looking and got hit by a car whilst going to work it would be the employers fault because the employer had given them a job and if he hadn't then the employee wouldn't have had to go to work, so wouldn't have been in that position to step off a pavement without looking, course it could have been the fault of the Tories and their policy of free enterprise, because if it had been a Labour nationalised company, the worker may still have been in bed or on strike, nah! course not, that couldn't happen in utopia

I think we have turned into a Nation of whiners, If you have more than me, then I want some,
Why should other people have better things than me,
Why should other people have more money than me,
Why do I have to live on benefits and you have a Good Job.
and so on.
Only one answer.
You only have one life on this planet, if you cannot plan what you do with your life then do not blame anyone else.
I was born into REAL Poverty in 1935, we had NOWT, Lost EVERYTHING in WW2 when BOMBED out, Nothing, just the clothes we stood up in, I had no education, same as all my mates in those days. On Strike in `55 and `60 I slept in the door way of St James Church on Park Lane in the South end of Liverpool, because it had a wooden seat to lie on, I panhandled outside the Sailors Home, "Gorra Tanner for a cup of tea Lah" , `eff off`. I swore I would never be Broke again. I have been on ROCK BOTTOM, So I know, had NOTHING, try it some time.
But I did what I did and came out of it OK. So I don't whine that someone has more than I have, I planned my life again and came out on top, so If I can do it anyone can, so stop the whining and do it.
Brian.

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Originally Posted by vic mcclymont

Ted, yes they all guard as you point out, but they also do other things apart from guard.
Crossing Guards (assume your talking about Railways) disappearing, replaced by automation.
Train Guard, doesn't guard in the strictest sense, collects fares (gets a percentage of the takings), checks tickets. Shuts doors.
Over 30 per cent of the rail network has driver only trains.
regards
Vic

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Crossing Guards i referred to vic, Cross kids over the road, You say 30% What about the other 70, I dont know where you get your figures from, So i take it 70% are still needed to many have a misconception of a train guards duty. C@W Stock have guards, That have no passengers they carry freight and the guard can tell you and emergency services everything that train has aboard, OH And no tickets to collect or doors to close, He gets a percentage of the takings :banghead:

there is definetely a culture today brian of what he has i want .....i can honestly say i have never coveted in my life what others had.....iam me i am not in a union or a gang or a party where anyone else can hold me to ransom...or change my track ......family of course excepted ........i to have seen the hard times living in dossers on the beach in oz.....doing hard labour in a ozzie nick in the 50s no bloody rioting there....but i watched i learned i listened i didnt whinge there was no jobseekers allowance i lived with my gran and a merchant war hero .....till they died.......i left shields and came to yorkshire no job a wife one year old child......i wanted nothing others had i wanted what i wanted........for my family ......ibegged and borrowed money while we were hungary to start on my own after working in a mill in bradford ........i did six days a week 12 to 14 hour days .......i begrudged no one .......my businness grew ....iunderstood the need of a good education for children i spent any money i could on private education for them.....oh what a dirty word that has turned to be.......it was cheating giving them unfair advantage...over others who pissed there money up the wall......they now have both of them half million plus houses and top of the range cars and holidays ........do i feel guilty .......in a pigs ear .......let some of todays whingers have the life i started with........no jobseekers whatever money no central heating meat once a week........sharing an egg with me brother .....going to the beach for sea coal selling it two bob a sack......and now how the whingers demand not ask for top jobs ....oh i cant work saturday i can only do 35 hours a week........well i did twice that a week for 30 years ......do i feel guilty as i drive my jaguar ......you must be bloody joking.......i now send my youngest grandaughter to a fancy school......but still people say ooh isnt he lucky ...i wish i was a quid behind you cappy ....behind me brian they couldnt bloody keep up......i remember looking at ships captains not with jealousy but with awe that they could know so much when i peeled my tatties in the galley......i envy no one ........that is my life they must do what they will with theres ......but dont whinge about theres to me.......cappy

"Broo Office"

There's an office lately opened in the town of Crossmaglen
Where the unemployed assemble when the clock is striking ten
And the Minisrty of Labour, in its courteous kind of way
Allows you to attend, per day, for keeping work at bay.

There are people in this world who have worked, it might be said
But some have never worked at all, except to work the head
If you ask them where they're toiling, they'll look and smile at you
They'll say "I havent got a job, I'm signing on the broo"

There are places in this world where workers go on strike
For higher pay, or shorter hours, or call it what you like
But here, they'll raise your salary with very little talk
If you get yourself a missus, and increase the human stock

There are some of the female sex who mingle with the crowd
Some are small and very dainty, some are tall and rather proud
They'll step up to the counter, in a modest kind of way
And throw the clerk the glad eye, as he hands them out their pay

So don't feel too downhearted, if this world treats you hard
There's a goodly share of friendship in an unemployment card
A little work for thirteen weeks, or longer if you can
And you're welcome through the broo door, in the town of Crossmaglen