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    The political make belief going on regarding the building of Australians new submarine force strikes me as a lot of waffle. The argument of costing for a start and the economics of such. This should have no bearing on the case. To me anything built for the armed forces should be constructed and built within the borders of their own country. It is imbecilic to have parts even built by foreign countries, if have to do so through not having the expertize here, should at least be built by at least Commonwealth countries. For those ignoramus"s sitting behind a desk signing off on Billion dollar deals think again and put your brain back where it belongs and not dragging around in the seat of your trousers. As regards the so called high cost, of being built here, which is the usual excuse for building abroad, the money it costs is going to local firms at a National level and the wealth of which will be re-distributed to its country of origin i.e. Australia. Giving billions of dollars to foreign countries apart from putting Australian armed forces at a strict disadvantage in the case of a war is a stupid attitude and only a physco polly could dream up such. The submarines should be built here totally so that all spare parts also can be re-produced and not dependant on an alien country to as suggested it will leave them totally dependent on such, and reeks of another feather in the cap of the almighty EU. Australia should have no part of it. Build our own armanents wherever possible and in the case of the subs totally in Australia. Never mind all the backhanders and graft that goes on in various business deals. Let Australians build Australian subs in Australia., and not this double talk of importing key elements of such from abroad. Any party which does otherwise deserves the vote of no one. The old saying money is meant to go around is very true, but should be circling in its country of origin and not given to aliens to lessen any economic lows they may be experiencing, that is a thriving economy when the money is circulating nationally. JS
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    Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your argument there is the question as to do we here in Oz have the expertise to build such vessels? If the design is foreign but the work and materials come from here then I see nothing wrong in that. If I recall the current 'Collins Class' subs came from USA when Labor was in power with Hawke.
    The problem we have is that during the life time of building, some 30 years, claimed by the defence department, how many changes of gov during that time and how many changes will be made to the original contract?
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    Its not just sentiment John its common sense, much better not to bother at all with the submarines than to be designed and built by a foreign power, a submarine hopefully has a life expectancy of 30 plus years, what use is it if the enemy has every knowledge of its inner and outer workings and will already have built an anti repellant to such, more than likely have already devices built in to the workings of such vessels. If cant build such vessels in own or commonwealth countries then don't bother building in any case. If UK goes into the EU there will be no commonwealth in any case, so if they don't have the ingenuity to build with national labour shouldn't even bother building. As far as I know even North Korea has managed to build weapons of war mainly on their own account. There will be those who say different, and if so I would like as how do they know. as little or no information we have been told gets out of N.K. JS
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    The Royal Navy is proud to announce its new fleet of Type 45 destroyers.
    Having initially named the first two ships HMS Daring and HMS Dauntless, the Naming committee has, after intensive pressure from Brussels, renamed them HMS Cautious and HMS Prudence.
    The next five ships are to be HMS Empathy,
    HMS Circumspect, HMS Nervous , HMS Timorous and HMS Apologist.
    Costing 850 million pounds each, they comply with the very latest employment, equality, health and safety and human rights laws.
    The Royal Navy expects any future enemy to be jolly decent and to comply with the same high standards of behaviour.
    The new user friendly crows nest has excellent wheelchair access.
    Live ammunition has been replaced with paintballs to reduce the risk anyone getting hurt and to cut down on the number of compensation claims.
    Stress counsellors and lawyers will be on board, as will a full sympathetic industrial tribunal.
    The crew will be 50/50 men and women, and will contain the correct balance of race, gender, sexuality and disability.
    Sailors will only work a maximum of 37 hours per week as per Brussels Rules on working hours, even in wartime.
    All the vessels are equipped with a maternity ward, a crèche and a gay disco.
    Tobacco will be banned throughout the ship, but recreational cannabis will be allowed in wardrooms and messes.
    The Royal Navy is eager to shed its traditional reputation for, Rum, sodomy and the lash, so out has gone the rum ration replaced by sparkling water.
    Sodomy remains, now extended to include all ratings under 18. The lash will still be available on request.
    Saluting of officers is now considered elitist and has now been replaced by " Hello sailor".
    All information on Notice boards will be in 37 different languages and Braille.
    Crew members will now no longer have to ask permission to grow beards and/or moustaches
    This applies equally to female crew.
    The MOD is inviting suggestions for a non specific flag because the White Ensign may offend minorities.
    The Union Jack must never be seen.
    The newly renamed HMS Cautious will be commissioned shortly by Captain Hook from the Finsbury Park mosque who will break a petrol bomb over the hull.
    She will slide gently into the sea as the Royal Marines Band plays "In the Navy" by the village people.
    Her first deployment will be to escort boatloads of illegal immigrants to ports on Englands south coast.
    The Prime Minister said " Our ships reflect the very latest in modern thinking and they will always be able to comply with any new legislation from Brussels.

    His final words were "Britannia waives the rules". JS

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    I still can not see how spending all this money on building military crap is going to save a country that is so large that any invading force would be better of arriving in a remote area and not be noticed. Just imagine if all those billions where used to build up our farming and manufacturing industries not to mention do some serious work on water. We could end up the food bowl of the world or at least Asia. But alas that is looking to far forward. Far better to keep the population in fear of attack while spending more money on building a stronger sling shot. Just look back at the crap we have purchased over the years. Ships that are rust buckets and needed more money spent on them to restore them that would have cost to build them. A few disused tanks and planes that are questionable that some countries have backed out of purchasing them now. Not our fecking lot. All political parties are using the scare tactics just in case, at our expense. Australia's best defence is pure and simply its size. What is ridicules is anyone intending to take us over will have to put it of for a decade or so until we manage to build our gear PMSL over this for sure. Pure and simple this latest exercise is to get these incompetent idiots elected in South Australia plus brownie points for the rest. One only has to look at it logically to know that there will be changes in government during the term of building so funding for these projects is always going to be under the microscope and alterations to terms of the build will also be.
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    Les we should have the largest camel corps in the world, plenty of the new populace to always tend their needs. The droppings would suit smokeless fuel and so we could also be the leaders in climate change,especially when combined with the excreta coming out both ends of our far too many politicians from to many
    Parliaments. Reckon a tin hat on the camel and a couple of sheets of steel on camel sides would make th m armour plated. Cheers js

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    Les, of course we could be a food bowl for the world we have the land and we do have the water despite what the doom sayers may say, we just don not harvest the bloody stuff.
    But are there any brownie points in such?
    Will any polis get any personal benefit from such?

    We could do it all it requires is some guy from overseas with a bit of go in him to make it work.

    One of the problems now with farms is that the younger generation are not interested in continuing with the family farm.

    But consider this, with all the war hard wear we have bought over the years, good, bad and indifferent we failed to stop the boats coming until the mad monk came up with a solution. So depending who is in power when the enemy comes will depend on if they get in or not.
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    If they aren't used to it I reckon the bad breath of the camels will stop them in their tracks. JS

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    As I have said so many times before? Until we can get them to govern the country instead of only looking towards the next election we are in deep do do. Just hope that the future generation is more political savvy than we where or the generation that followed us. Notice that you mention? Until someone from overseas can do it is about the response of most Aussies at the moment when we have the expertise and know how just not the guts to do it. First step is to have a complete clean out of our politicians hence why we need a Trump like party except when one starts up our two parties unite to make sure that it is quashed. The only time that they become solidly united with each other. Can not allow anyone else getting their snouts in the trough. Politics here is so bloody crap.
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    What we need here in Oz is at least a four, but better still five, year term for feral parliament. The maybe we will get some real things done using our own expertise. I know a number of guys who have gone out on their own and struggle, not because business is down but because each time we get a change of gov the rules also change. It may be that the new changes to senate voting may get rid of some of the 'independents' who hold up all the good stuff just because it is not to their liking. A good gov make some unpleasant changes for the long term good of the nation.
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