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    For those serving on British ships now or within the past few years.. Is the normal practice of log book entries and returns to the head office still applicable today. My last couple of dozen years at sea were mainly on offshore oil related vessels of one description or another and did not observe the normal deep sea methods in paperwork. The Deck log book often referred to as the Scrap Log, apart from the watchkeeping records had at Noon the Lat and Long, Course made good, Dist. steamed, Total distance steamed, average speed, general average speed. Slip, and estimated current. This was all copied on to sheets in a fair copy and sent to office from every port. Some educated person got the system changed in later years to have carbon copies made of the log book these were torn out and sent, thus saving one from getting writers cramp. The Voyage number started on SBE (Stand By Engines) and finished with FWE ( Finished with Engines) from one to the other was considered the GST ( Gross Steaming Time) and with harbour steaming time and stoppages deducted was considered the Net Steaming Time. Today do they just get a print out from a computer or something similar ???? The Engine Room Log Book was a different set up as had I believe revs etc per watch, a copy of Noon was also given to the Ch.Eng. for his fair copy which was also sent to the office. The actual sea passage commenced at FAOP Full ahead on passage and ended with the reduction in speed on approaching port which was referred to as EOP end of passage. The actual times used for such movements were always in 6 minute intervals, e.g. 1536 hrs was 15.6 hrs or 1254 which was 12.9 hours to save the brain having to work out more complicated figures when working out various such as average speeds etc. Cheers JS PS We have a GST in Australia not to get mixed with the nautical version. JS
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    John, No replies from any serving British Merchant Seaman, What does that tell you buddy...........................
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    We live in hope Terry. JS
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    Today the Queen Elizabeth, Cunard, and the Diamond Princess, Princess line were both in port here in Melbourne.

    Queen Elizabeth registered in Hamilton Bahamas, Diamond Princess in London.

    Both are owned overall by Carnival Shipping.

    Both ships flying the Red Ensign and you wonder why no MN persons replied?
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    All up the road at the boozer, the beers cheaper there ???? JS

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    J.S.
    On board you will have
    1. Deck log book (or Bridge log book as you would know it), the official record of the daily bridge watch. (weather, sea state, positions, etc. for each watch, also records times of engine tests before departing port and for USA bound ships, before entering USA territorial waters, change of command,amongst other things)
    2. Bell book (records engine movements etc. when entering/ leaving port). This can be replaced with an automated print out.
    3. On tankers, cargo record book (Oil and separate for chemicals) which records the loading, discharging, tank cleaning and disposal of any washings.
    4. Garbage record book. Records the amount of garbage (separated into various categories) disposed of to approved facilities ashore or incinerated on board.
    5. Engine room log book (similar to deck log book)
    6. Oil record book for engine room, lists all sludge and waste oil tanks and discharges through the oily water separator and any discharge of oil waste to shore facilities.
    7.Planned maintenance records (deck and engine room), usually in a computerised system these days.
    All these above will stay with the ship throughout its life, even through change of ownership and must be written in a common language that the owner states for all his ships.
    Official log book and crew agreements, including contracts of employment. These are handed over to the "proper authorities" at the end of the articles time, though in reality are usually stored on board for up to 3 years and then disposed of to either the owners storage or just put in the waste bin. For a U.K. or U.K. dependent territory you try and find a "proper official" to receive these, even the MCA who issue them have no real facility to receive and store them these days).
    Along with all the above you will also have the certificates book containing all the statutory certificates which again stays with the ship throughout its life. Nowadays there is also a DOC (document of compliance) that shows the vessel and its owners have an approved Safety Management system in place and in tandem with this DOC there is also another certificate (name forgotten) that lists the ownership history of the ship.
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    Don't think in reality that much has changed from the 50's, except perhaps details of garbage disposal and planned maintenance, although this latter was probably covered in the Engineroom department by Lloyds (other brands are available) CMS (Continuous Machinery Survey) certificates which some ports demanded along with chain register.

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    Wasn't there a Factorys Act Book as well. This contained all the certs of wires ropes shackles and blocks and all running gear, used to be a work up arriving Australian coast as had to have knowledge where every shackle and block was with its number and last test for SWL. If the Dockers wanted to be awkward would ask you for the shackle number of same attached to the derrick head block or something similar, have you ever counted the shackles on a ship and multiplied that by 12. As regards the returns to the office would have thought maybe would nowadays have a print out from the GPS system, what John describes as todays paperwork has always been there to my knowledge, plus much more regarding time sheets for laytime and demurrage stoppages, and all the paraphamalia that goes with time and voyage charters. But that's a different subject. Cheers JS PS just reread your post Ivan and you mention the Chain register, same thing I believe. Cheers JS
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    If I recall garbage disposal in the 60's all depended on which deck you worked. On boat deck as officers stewards we had to wait until dark to dump the bags over the side and just hops no one had their head stuck out beyond the ships rail.
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    Nowadays most ships are fitted with incinerators, imagine the old MN of 3 to 4 thousand ships fitted with such, also the present amount of world wide oil rigs continuously flaring off, and if it comes to that the frequent bush fires various countries have. Nothing ever said about it, but see one iron foundary emitting smoke and theres hell to pay from the climate change warriors. All these warring factions in the Middle East should first be prosecuted for the damage they are doing to the environment. Before all these accusations of war crimes are heard, anything that doesn't burn at sea today mysteriously disappears overnight, suppose the old habits are hard to break. Cheers JS

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