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    Not starting any political storm here, But I think when 100 of the countries top doctors send out a message to this coalition, In the form which seems to be trendy in this general election, You ignore it at your peril or should I say that you turn your back on the every ordinary person who depends on the N.H.S. US...................... When the skipper of the Titanic ordered abandon ship, He had his passengers welfare at heart not the shipping company. Terry. S.O.S.


    General Election 2015: 100 leading doctors sign letter accusing Government of 'withering away' NHS in England - General Election 2015 - UK Politics - The Independent
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    There is a long list about this just Google this (100 NHS Doctors today wrote to the PM.) Some interesting reading.

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    as one who is in the thick of the system at this time and what a system we have here when an intensive care nurse stands at the end of your bed one on one caring for you with the highest quality possible and doctors on call for two days without a break and still have to be on the top of the game and nurses who have not had a pay rise for 2 years and what really got me they have to pay there own parking and even there own tea bags for the short breaks they have its no wonder the angels who care for you are leaving in droves I owe them my life on more than one occasion and the dedication of the worker in the NHS is second to none and if doctors put questions to make the service any better the government should listen with both ears not say and not do? but what ever is done you can be sure the very best of care will be given no matter what the cost the treatment I have just had in the likes of America would have cost hundreds of thousands so our NHS doctors should be listened to and action taken to see if this great free medical constitution is improved at any cost.. if we can send aid to countries who can send space craft to mars then there is something drastically wrong with any government in power who shells out the aid???? jp

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    The problem is not just in UK, here in Oz we have beds close due to shortage of nursing staff. There is just not enough people interested in the system and not enough money to improve it.
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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    Where is Miliband going to get 20,000 new Nurses and 8,000 New GPs from???
    It takes Six years in Uni to educate a student and then another year to train in another GPs Practice just to be a GP.
    so that is Seven years to be a new inexperienced GP..
    The man cannot even answer my mails to him. Four times now and no answer.
    I have No Complaints about the NHS, I was found with cancer and two weeks later it was operated on, on a Saturday last November. six weeks later I was diagnosed with another Cancer and within two weeks operated on and had it removed.
    I had two weeks in Hawaii in Hospital $88,000, In UK Free.
    Why do we have a Nation of whingers. What happened to the British.
    Labour flooded the UK with 5,000,000 immigrants just to keep that war criminal in power, So no medical checks when they come in and straight to A& E and into a bed on the wards. Paradise indeed.
    More and more people are flooding into Britain so the Health Service is overloaded with free loaders.
    Last two years ago I was in hospital in Bolton, I was the only Briton on the ward the rest were all from the Mid East. They were disgusting in their behaviour to the Nurses.
    100 Doctors signing a paper is only a tiny minority of all the Doctors.
    Doctors in Hospital are more than GPs , they have more specialist knowledge and experience of the relevant diseases and ailments of in patients than a GP has, to be a Consultant takes many more years.
    Nurses are the same, they have to have specialist knowledge of the various diseases and illnesses and that also takes many years of training.
    My son has a world wide reputation in Liver Diseases, even in Hawaii when I was in hospital there, the Doctors knew him. He goes on TV talking about Hepatology and the effects of alcohol on the Liver and Pancreas, He spent many years training to be a Specialist. He was never asked to sign that Paper, so who are these Doctors.
    When that Andy Burnham was Labours Health Minister I was injured in the Antarctic in 2009 and had x-rays in A&E when I got home, told I needed an operation to stitch up my clavicular Ligaments that had been torn apart and a broken collar bone.. I waited Eight Months in pain and arm in a sling , I wrote to Andy Burnham, I am only a few hundred yards from his Constituency in Leigh, asking why am I waiting Eight months for an operation, He wrote back and said,
    "Don't you know you are Not to write to the Minister,"
    I certainly do not want an ignoramus like that to be Health Minister again
    Cheers,
    Brian
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    #3... John agree with your observance of parking. I have had the misfortune of making several visits to different hospitals here in Perth over the past 12 months. They seem to build Hospitals out here with no intention of letting visitors park their cars. The planning for such is terrible. To add injustice to this the parking charges are astronomical. I know the nursing staff also have to pay which is a grave injustice. A hospital could really apparently survive on it car parks. All hospitals as regards parking should be free, but is apparently such a revenue earner local government will never change, the same as speed cameras in WA purely a revenue earner. Hope your convalescence is going good. Regards John S

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    The biggest problem with the NHS is not the amount of funding it receives, which according to certain statistics is the almost per head of population of any European country, but the sheer amount of waste within the health service, from the very top at the Ministry of Health right down to your local hospital and G.P.
    Billions have been wasted on an I.T. system that was meant to enable any G.P. or hospital to access patient records anywhere in the country. After spending billions on it the system has been scrapped as unworkable and they are starting all over again.
    Then you have E.U. laws imposed on us whereby, for instance, a Polish married couple of migrants {note the term migrants, not immigrants, meaning they are only here to work and will not become citizens} legally come to the U.K. to work. The wife then falls pregnant and wishes to have their child back in Poland with her family around her for support, at a cost of something like twice the cost of having her chid in a NHS hospital. Who pays for that, you've guessed it, the good old NHS.
    Then think about the last time you walked through the doors of your local hospital and think of the staff you saw there. Was it doctors in their white coats or nurses in their blue uniforms? No, you see receptionists sitting behind fancy desks, managers in suits walking round with clipboards trying to look important whilst discussing such important items of what colour to paint the was, record clerks tippy tapping around with bundles of patient records under their arms {and this in the days of I.T. systems that allow vast amounts of papers and money to be transferred at the click of a computer button}. Then you have the case where in a so called efficiency drive, cleaning staff employed by the hospital no longer clean bed bays or operating theatres as they do not have the correct health and safety qualifications to handle the cleaning chemicals used in such cleaning but instead outside contractors are employed at £60 a time to spend 30 minutes cleaning an empty bay bed.
    The head of our local hospital is about the highest paid permanent staff member on a £100,000 pus salary, more than some of the consultants employed their. Does she have any medical background, does she heck.
    Then look at the contracts for such mundane items as paper etc. where each authority has its own supplier at vastly different costs.
    So no, yes the NHS may need reforms but more importantly it first needs reforms that cut out its monumental waste.
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    Many Doctors and Consultants in Hospitals wear suits and when dealing with a Patient, take off their jackets and ties to treat them.
    I have photos of my lad in action at his hospital in Portsmouth, from TV and that is how he is dressed, so they may not all be Managers walking around with clip boards.

    Cheers
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    There you go Brian, I have no doubt your son is worth his salt whether he be in a suite or not, Plenty of suggestions here on where the cuts can be made, Management Middle management E.T.C.............. So why has Cameron not said this in public if that's his logic, Simple that is not there way of thinking, They are hell bent on this country's trade deficit, And bringing it down by imposing more misery on you and me they don't give a damn about the N.H.S. Because they don't depend on it like me and you, It may well be there first port of call if involved in an accident for diagnosis, The treatment they receive after that comes in the shape of B.U.P.A. Private, That the majority of people in this country can't afford, While we have Tory led coalition in this country we the working man who is the admiration of Cameron,s eye will always be put first, Isnt it a pity he never had these policies 4 years ago when the day after being elected introduced the rise in V.A.T. Which has never been cut, And won't let us know if he intends to, So for all the miracles Osborne has done and brought down negative inflation, Brought the feel good factor back into all our pockets, I can't understand why they aren't well ahead in the poles and the election isn't a formality. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time, Thankfully there are those that can see the broader picture. Terry.
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    doesnt depend on the NHS.....terry.... cameron went night upon night with a child who was dying and eventually died ....not privately but to the same hospital as you or me...ask anyone who has had treatment in the last few years what they thought ....my family had the best treatment in the world ......the left constantly shouts wolf about the NHS......YES IT CREAKS ....but being the biggest organisation we have of course it creaks with so many gears grinding .....but would you honestly go anywhere else in the world when ill not bloody likely methinks.......the bliar regime has constantly used it as a football ......it appears to be the only policy they have .....apart from giving more money away than they make ......so the debate goes on........sad but true .....bringing bliar back to back the unbackable......is tantamount to bringing hitler back ....to back the jews .......cappy

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