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    Scattered a few ashes when I was with the Humber RNLI.

    I think they still do burials off the Needles, IOW? Newhaven from the tug 'Meeching' was another place in my fishing days. She is long gone along with some of the notable crew/officers, so not sure about now?

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    Brian ref 17, in addition to your list, Nicholas Monserrat, twice, for the reason you stated, not enough lead, and storms. he was taken back out for a second attempt. ,he came ashore first time near Compton on the Isle of wight KT

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    I guess you cant keep a good man down KT
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    IBorn on Rodney Street[1] in Liverpool, Lancashire, Monsarrat was educated at Winchester and Trinity College, Cambridge. He intended to practise law. The law failed to inspire him, however, and he turned instead to writing, moving to London and supporting himself as a freelance writer for newspapers while writing four novels and a play in the space of five years (1934–1939). He later commented in his autobiography that the 1931 Invergordon Naval Mutiny influenced his interest in politics and social and economic issues after college.

    Author of The Cruel Sea,

    Wartime service[edit]

    Though a pacifist, Monsarrat served in World War II, first as a member of an ambulance brigade and then as a member of the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve (RNVR). His lifelong love of sailing made him a capable naval officer, and he served with distinction in a series of small warships assigned to escort convoys and protect them from enemy attack. Monsarrat ended the war as commander of a frigate, and drew on his wartime experience in his postwar sea stories. During his wartime service, Monsarrat claimed to have seen the ghost ship Flying Dutchman while sailing the Pacific, near the location where the young King George V had seen her in 1881.

    Resigning his wartime commission in 1946, Monsarrat entered the diplomatic service. He was posted at first to Johannesburg, South Africa and then, in 1953, to Ottawa, Canada. He turned to writing full-time in 1959, settling first on Guernsey, in the Channel Islands, and later on the Maltese island of Gozo.

    Death

    Nicholas Monsarrat died 8 August 1979 in London. The Royal Navy co-operated with his wish to be buried at sea.
    evidently, didn't do a good job.

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    Just finished reading, for the third time, Nicholas Monsarrat's final work, titled Master Mariner. It is in two volumes. Book One, Running Proud, and Book Two Darken Ship. He died before the second volume was completed and his widow decided to have it published in it's synopsis form rather than have it (literally)! ghosted and continue the narrative text. He had been working on his 'Magnum Opus' even from his days as a sailor and for those who haven't read it will really appreciate and understand what a great storyteller he was. I now have the book on my Kindle and cost me less than a pound to download.
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    #4....... It only seems longer John
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kong View Post
    Hi John,
    Burials at sea are still allowed, I have been on many cruise ships and they still bury the dead if requested,, A lot of Americans do that as the cost of a Funeral in the States is extremely expensive., Some are placed in the Fridge to take home, again very expensive,
    There are certain regulations on sea burials depending on locality and within certain limits.
    On the south coast of England a few years ago, a company started burials at sea, taking out a coffin and doing the deed. But after a while some coffins were washed up on beaches following storms in the Channel, That kind of burial has now been stopped I believe, But in the Oceans it still goes on.
    Cheers
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    By country[edit]

    Australia[edit]

    Burial at sea within Australian territorial waters, exclusive economic zone and continental shelf is covered by the Environmental Protection (Sea Dumping Act) 1981 administered by the federal Department of the Environment. A permit is required for burial of bodies at sea. Permits are usually only granted in cases of a strong connection to the sea, for example long serving navy personnel. The body must not be embalmed or placed in a casket, it may only be sewn into a weighted shroud. The burial must be in water deeper than 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) and not interfere with shipping, fishing or undersea communications. Australian Defence Force vessels engaged in armed conflicts or emergency situations are exempt from these requirements.[11]

    No permit is required to scatter ashes at sea.

    United Kingdom[edit]

    Burial at sea was a method hypothetically suggested by the then Medical Officer of Health for Liverpool, Dr Duncan Dolton, in which unburied bodies could be buried at sea during any extended strike by gravediggers union the GMWU during the Winter of Discontent. The suggestion caused great alarm amongst the public and helped prompt a resolution to the strike.[citation needed]

    British colonial burials at sea of the 18th and 19th century involved wrapping the deceased in sail cloth weighted with cannonballs. The tradition continues with New England burials at sea, using a patented biodegradable handmade Atlantic sea burial shroud with authentic 37.5 cannonballs as ballast, smelted in Massachusetts at the historical Civil War foundry that has supplied Old Ironsides ([12]) since before the war of 1812.

    United States[edit]

    A funeral director is not required for the burial of cremated remains at sea. However, full body burials require specific preparation to ensure the body or coffin sinks quickly. The Environmental Protection Agency regulations for full body burials at sea in the United States require that the site of interment be 3 nautical miles (5.6 km; 3.5 mi) from land and at a depth of at least 600 feet (180 m). California prohibits whole body burial within its state-asserted three-mile limit. Off the eastern coast of the United States, the closest sufficient depths are off Long Island (75 miles/121 km), Ocracoke (20 miles/32 km), and Miami (5 miles/8.0 km). This may require travel in excess of 30 miles (48 km) for a suitable site.[13] Sufficient depth is within 10 miles or less at many harbors along the U.S. west coast, including San Diego, Santa Barbara, Monterey, Fort Bragg, Eureka, and Crescent City, all in California.[14] The United States Navy inters intact remains from Norfolk and San Diego only.[15] The United States Navy requires a metal casket for intact remains, but full body burial in a suitably weighted shroud is also legal. The United States is similar to many countries which permit the spreading of cremation ashes within their Exclusive Economic zone - when spreading ashes from a ship which is registered in a different country, the regulations and reporting procedures for the ships flag state need to be complied with once the vessel is in international waters, that is, outside 12 nautical miles. Ships follow the London convention principles, as opposed to MARPOL regulations, as the ash is intentionally taken on board for discharge at sea, as opposed to ash generated on passage from the ship's incinerators. It should be further considered that on 1 January 2013, MARPOL Annex V will come into force, which prevents discharge of a ship's incinerator ash.




    People buried at sea[edit]

    Main article: List of people buried at sea

    A few notable burials at sea:
    Sir Francis Drake (1540–1596) (body in lead coffin off the coast of Portobelo, Panama)
    Christopher Newport (1561-1617) (body buried in the Indian Ocean)
    Edward Winslow (1595–1655) (buried at sea near Jamaica on 8 May 1655)
    Numerous RMS Titanic victims (1912) (picked up by rescue ships, whose remains were too damaged to preserve or for whom the rescuers lacked sufficient embalming materials, were buried at sea)
    Dudley Pound (1877–1943) (cremated ashes scattered)
    H. G. Wells (1866–1946) (cremated and ashes scattered in the sea off England)
    Edwina Mountbatten (body placed in a coffin and then buried in the English Channel).
    Adolf Eichmann (1906-1962) (Following his execution in Israel, his body was cremated and his ashes scattered at sea over the Mediterranean, in international waters. This was done because Israel did not want such a person buried in its soil, and also did not want a grave elsewhere that might have become a place of pilgrimage for other Nazis.)
    Janis Joplin (1943–1970) (cremated at Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery, and her ashes scattered into the Pacific ocean)
    Richard Rodgers (1902–1979) (cremated ashes scattered)
    Sir Alfred Hitchcock (1899–1980) (ashes were scattered into the Pacific Ocean)
    Steve McQueen (1930–1980) (cremated and ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean)
    Dennis Wilson (1944–1983) (body buried in the Pacific Ocean off California with special intervention by President Reagan)
    Peter Lawford (1923–1984), actor, was cremated and ashes originally buried at Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery; they were later removed and scattered in the Pacific Ocean.
    Rock Hudson (1925–1985) (cremated ashes scattered)
    Robert A. Heinlein (1907–1988) (cremated, and ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean)[18]
    Stan Getz (1927–1991) (cremated, and ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean off Malibu, California)
    Vincent Price (1911–1993)[19] (ashes scattered off Point Dume in Malibu, California)
    Gene Kelly (1912–1996) (cremated ashes scattered)
    Robert Mitchum (1917–1997) (cremated ashes scattered)[20]
    John F. Kennedy, Jr (1960–1999) (scattered into the Atlantic Ocean by the U. S. Navy off Martha's Vineyard)
    DeForest Kelley (1920–1999) (ashes were scattered into the Pacific Ocean)
    Doug Henning (1947–2000) (cremated, and ashes scattered into the Pacific Ocean of Redondo Beach, California)[21]
    Werner Klemperer (1920–2000) (cremated ashes scattered)
    Sir Edmund Hillary (1919–2008) (cremated, and ashes scattered in New Zealand's Hauraki Gulf)[22]
    Leyla Gencer (1928–2008) (ashes were scattered into the Bosphorus)
    Osama Bin Laden (1957–2011)[23] One U.S. official stated that "finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult."[24] It was also done to prevent his burial place from becoming a "terrorist shrine".[25]
    Dick Clark (1929-2012) (cremated and ashes were scattered into the Pacific Ocean)
    John Carradine (1906-1988), full body burial into the Indian Ocean by his family.
    Neil Armstrong (1930-2012) (cremated, ashes scattered into the Atlantic Ocean from the U. S. Navy cruiser Philippine Sea)[26]
    Atholl MacGregor, Hong Kong's chief justice, died on hospital ship from Hong Kong for England
    Robin Williams (1951–2014) (cremated the day after his death, ashes scattered in San Francisco Bay)
    Brian, Re Bin Laden - I do hope he was flushed.....

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    He was a bit red faced when caught and probably ready for bed , when he got Surprise Surprise !!! As the door opened . JS
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    Graveyard watch was a thing that happened in Stalingrad etc to keep starving ppl from robbing graves so they could resort from cannibalism

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    Graveyard watch often referred to as the middle watch 12/4 .
    Was there not also a graveyard watch kept by relatives at the grave side of a newly interned family member?
    Another reason also to deter grave robbers from digging up the grave again and stealing the cadaver to sell on to dodgy anatomists
    I know there were a couple of muderers in Scotland Burke & Hare who used to sell thier victims for medical research. The chosen method of dispatch was to sit on the victims chest so they could no longer breath. Reason no point in delievering a body with multiple stab wounds, might have raised suspicions on cause of death lol.

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    Bin Laden didn't have to be weughted down when the chucked hin in the sea he was full of lead.
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