The Health and Safety can be alittle strange at times

[John Pruden]

now theres a fella today a railway worker saved a disabled person who fell of the platform he went on to the tracks to save the person and the worker got suspended from his job come on?jp

[robpage]

I can remember a couple of years ago there was a man fell into a local boating lake , the police stood by unable to effect a rescue because there was no rescue plan in place . I don't know if they could have saved him , the lake is four feet deep

[robpage]

To the best of my understanding the Police and Ambulance services have to leave the actual rescue to Hampshire Fire & Rescue , they cite insurance , as to proceed without the appropriate RAMS , Risk Assesment Method Statement , would mean that the rescuer was not covered by the County's Liability insurance . In the case locally here the Fire and Rescue have a tortuous passage along a road with very heavy traffic , which meant a ten minute delay for the appliance . I think most of us are of a generation who were taught to use common sense , now because of some idiots we have had to remove that independence . I have in the last five years seen a roofer walking a pitched roof in the rain , a groundworker in a six foot deep unshored trench , and several confined space entries missing the rescue gear . The common sense element missing in each case .

[happy daze john in oz]

I did observe whilst in London the problems that beset the ambulance and police services when an emergency occurs. How do you get an ambulance or police car through the traffic at not just peak, but most daylight times. Congestion is such that even with lights and sirens warning of thsir approach there is no where for traffic to go to allow free passage for them. I observed police cars riding on sidewalks in an effort to get through and ambulances no doubt with trauma cases aboard unable to navigate the roads because of traffic volumes. Not a promising sight to observe.

[ray-c]

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I do a lot of RAMS ( No Cappy nothing to do with sheep ) Risk Assessment Method Statements . I have just been asked to modify one for three men digging a hole to remove a broken clay drain pipe , there will be service pipes and cables in the hole the guys dig , and the contractors pet HEalth and Safety expert has just asked if we can get and use rubber picks to prevent damaging the GAs and Electric services , How do you cut concrete with a rubber Pick , YES the guy is serious , I have just suggested No-Spark tools s, but Rubber , Oh what is this world coming to , I kept thinking Zebedee from the Magic Roundabout , Biong - Boing

Does this remind you of any thing.

[ray-c]

I can remember a couple of years ago there was a man fell into a local boating lake , the police stood by unable to effect a rescue because there was no rescue plan in place . I don't know if they could have saved him , the lake is four feet deep

Sorry to correct you, but if it was the one in so/ton, it was 18" deep, he had no safety rope, even when a local builder gave him one, my Q at the time, was, why was the whole gathered crowd, just watching a guy drown, beggers believe

[robpage]

Pictured: Charity shop worker who was 'left to die' in 3ft of water because rescue workers were worried about their own health and safety
By EMILY ANDREWS
UPDATED: 09:41, 12 March 2011

'They just all seemed to be standing around,' said witness
More than a dozen emergency workers refused to pull a man from a waist-deep boating lake because of ‘health and safety’ fears.
For half-an-hour charity shop worker Simon Burgess, 41, was left face down in the shallow water as they waited for a specialist rescue crew.
Mr Burgess, who had gone to the lake to feed the swans, was pronounced dead at the scene but friends claim that if rescuers had waded straight into the water he could have been saved.
The crews of two fire engines, two police cars, two ambulances and an air ambulance were told not to enter the lake, which is no more than three feet (one metre) at its deepest point, in case they ‘compromised their safety’.
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The water rescue crew finally arrived – 26 minutes after Mr Burgess was seen falling in – and the ‘specialists’ removed him using nothing more technical than waterproof clothing and buoyant jackets.
Mr Burgess, who suffered blackouts following brain surgery, was a former sailing instructor and IT consultant.
Friends and family reacted with fury yesterday when they discovered that firemen, paramedics and police first on the scene did not wade in to help.
Hampshire Fire and Rescue decided there was ‘no obvious sign of life’ when they arrived at Walpole Park Lake, in Gosport, Hampshire, on Thursday lunchtime.


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I gave the benefit of the doubt ioof the Three feet and made it Four feet to be safe

[Captain Kong]

Thanks Rob.
So when your home is on fire will the firemen stay outside in case the heat makes them sweat. or Police refusing to visit a crime scene in case the Baddy is still there. Ambulance men refusing to visit an accident in case the sight of blood upsets them and turns them off their dinner.
Or a Surgeon refusing to do an operation in case he cuts his finger on his scalpel.
What the hell has our Nation come to when we are surrounded by whimps.
I have seen mates drowning and without a thought went in after them, I lost one due to heavy seas and had to be rescued myself by a lad from South Africa when I was in a no survive situation. the others I was successful and saved them.
If the South African lad had thoughts of Elf and Safety I would be long dead now. Many thanks to him and I still keep in touch with the man.
Cheers
Brian

[Keith Tindell]

That amazes me, from my experience of 30 years in the fire service, for anyone searches through the Isle of Wight County Press archives will find an account of two women who had been visiting a relative in the prison at Newport (the later inquest proved they were over the limit for driving) drove a vehicle down the slipway at Fishbourne at great speed, just as the ferry was leaving, and into the oggin. The vehicle immediately sank below the waves. The Fire appliance from Newport was called. and one of the Firemen wearing breathing apparatus (not designed for use underwater) jumped into deep water and attempted to get down to them, unfortunately too late. I know the fireman involved, a Tony Bartley, who was commended by the coroner. I know one of our members worked for Wightlink, so may recall this incident. So it seems the Fire Service has changed since my time, much like the MN, regards KT

[robpage]

In my last job I did a lot of Liaison work with Hampshire Fire and Rescue , as the site I was Chief Engineer for was a huge threat . we had approximately three tonnes of pressurised Ammonia gas on site . they were great guys but in latter years crippled by paperwork