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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Lead Ted View Post
    Well what's all the fuss about, Carry on burning your coal and fossil fuels, But I would have money on more and more extreme fires before the next 12 months. Terry.

    Terry, I know you have some strong views on this one and that is your right.
    But unless you live here and know the full story you cannot know the answer.
    As to posting cut and pastes as one member does, one who I would suggest knows very little about the country, will only bring wrong concepts to the site.

    Long before there was ever a mention of the climate there were massive fires far bigger than this one.
    The difference this time is that the activists have taken it as a weapon in their fight, but they know nothing of the country.
    Worse still when asked how to deal with it they have no answer.
    They still want all their goodies, the cars, mobiles etc but have no idea where they come from.
    The concept of zero emission sis just not possible, unless they want us all to go back to living in caves.
    Then there are the emerging nations who want the same life as we do, do we say no to them?

    Climate has been changing on this planet from day one and will continue, I do not subscribe to the concept of man made change.
    There are too many conflicting arguments and too much hipocracy from so many, Norway as a good example.
    They want to be emissions free by 2035 but continue to export oil and gas, the worlds 4th largest of such.
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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    The former prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has said he “can’t explain” Scott Morrison’s behaviour during Australia’s unprecedented bushfire crisis and that his successor had “downplayed” the catastrophe and had not behaved the way a prime minister should.

    Turnbull made the extraordinary criticism of Morrison during an interview with the BBC on Wednesday, in which he also blamed News Corp and rightwing thinktanks in Australia for promoting climate change denialism.

    “To be a climate change denier is a badge of honour on the right wing of politics here and in the US, and it is mad.”
    Turnbull said Australia was “in the frontline of the consequences” and needed to act on the climate crisis to show the world that it was important.

    “How many more coral reefs have to be bleached, how many more million hectares of forest have to be burned?” he asked. “How many more lives and homes have to be lost before the climate change deniers acknowledge they are wrong?


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    Malcolm Turnbull is a has been who never really was.

    He was dumped by his party and since then and been attacking them in any way he can.
    His views are not realistic in todays world.

    Climate Change is something he and many others use to their advantage, he has a large share in one of the Solar farms around the country.

    Before joining the Liberal party he attempted to join Labor, but they were smart enough to know he would be no good to them.
    A multi millionaire who made his money as a merchant banker and ISP at one time.

    He continues to do all he can to be seen, but is mostly ignored.

    As to climate policies, those of Labor are not far short of those of Liberal.
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Lead Ted View Post
    Well what's all the fuss about, Carry on burning your coal and fossil fuels, But I would have money on more and more extreme fires before the next 12 months. Terry.



    Most of my info is supplied by rellies living in Oz and are affected by what has and is occurring:

    The bushfires have not only been made more likely and intense by climate change, they also add to it. Until the 2019–2020 Australian bushfire season, the forests in Australia were thought to reabsorb all the carbon released in bushfires across the country. This would mean the forests achieved net zero emissions. However, global warming is making bushfires burn more intensely and frequently and the 2019–2020 bushfires have already emitted 400 megatonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, according to the Copernicus monitoring programme. This is as much as Australia's average annual carbon dioxide emissions in just the past three months. These will increase Australia’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, contributing to global warming, and heighten the likelihood of recurring megafires that will release yet more emissions. This is a deeply concerning climate loop.


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    RE: Whatever is the way to reducing the climatic impact isn't going to be achieved overnight. At least there is talk going on now these fires have occurred.

    Although awareness is improving, I do agree there is much more to do.


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    What is the Greens going to do with the Volcanoes.????????
    They create more global warming than any other source,.
    I am going to see again Kilauea on the Big I sland of Hawaii in 8 weeks, seen it may times. plus several other vocanoes.
    Tremendous heat and Red hot Lava flowing into the sea , the ocean is Boiling water there. and flows away wiyj the currents.
    On the sea bed of all the oceans world wide are hundreds of volcanoes, heating up the oceans , even in the Antarctic and Arctic.
    In 2009 I was swimming in the ocean in Deception Island which is the Caldera of the Volcaoe, surrounded by Ice , the sea was warm from the Volcano.
    The South Pacific is full of volcanic activity Islands come and go as the volcanoes rise up and then collapse back below the waves., Island appear off Ice land as Volcanoes rise up from the sea bed of the North Atlantic,
    Last week the big Volcanoe was spewing Millions of tons on Hot poisonous gases INTO THE AIR.

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    Volcanic eruptions are unpredictable. However, scientists monitor volcanoes to estimate when they are likely to erupt.

    looking at the past history of eruptions - scientists can identify patterns of activity.

    Although detailed statistics are not kept on daily activity, generally there are around 20 volcanoes actively erupting at any particular time.

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    Bush fire do not add to the green house effect as they area natural occurance.

    Emissions from other sources if any thing are the only way the atmosphere can be effected.
    Amazing that the media has said nothing about this, if it is out in the public arena.
    Bush fires area normal event and have been going on as long as this planet has existed, to say that this season has added to carbon emissions id fanciful.
    If it is the case then why has it never been stated before?

    Some years ago the volcano in Iceland erupted.
    One scientist, a leader in his field at the time, claimed that more pollution was emitted from that than man could produce in 100 years at the current rate.

    Consider that underground coal fires have been burning in some parts of the globe for thousands of years, one here in Victoria has been going for well over 100 years.
    They are known of by scientists and govs but are impossible to extinguish.
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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    Over the past decade, Australia's national fire-related emissions averaged about 485 million tons a year, according to the European Union's Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service, which tracks air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions worldwide. On Jan. 6, the agency announced that Australia's wildfires had already released about 400 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Since then, fires have scorched 16 million acres in the states of New South Wales and Victoria, leading scientists to more than double their initial estimates of the fire-related emissions.

    Fire-related emissions around the world account for about 20 percent of global fossil fuel emissions, but if climate change increases the severity of wildfires, the blazes could become even greater contributors to global warming.
    "Is this an exceptional season, or is this where we're heading in Australia, the western U.S. and some other places?" Jackson said. "If these runaway fires become more normal, we're in for a very different world."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...oxide-n1120186

    Possibly also worth reading:

    Australian bushfires to contribute to huge annual increase in global carbon dioxide

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...cid=spartandhp

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    Well some sensible items are coming to light since the fires started. It has been found that seaweed can absorb more carbon than trees but we are neglecting it for some reason. A power company rep has stated that because of the fire and damage to power lines that they are considering installing Stand Alone Power using solar plus batteries for remote households as it will work out cheaper all round instead of re running power lines to them. My view as to the fires is that at least the areas on fire this year should be fire free for a few years to come but there are still many more areas that will be affected for the rest of this year and more to come. As for the debate on climate. Surely if we can get our heads around reducing pollution does it not result in a cleaner climate for future generations. Sure this has happened in the past but I think you will find that the times between when it happens are getting shorter each every time. There are lies being said from both camps. A bloke here in NSW has put a proposal for installing a underwater pipe line that then is directed along one of our rivers then over a gravel and pebble river bed into one of our lakes to take all the waste water from Sydney. He reckons that by it flowing over the pebbles it reduces the waste water to just water that can be then used for irrigation and factories plus power stations instead of just pumping it out to sea. Another idea that they reckon is to expensive to do at a cost or two billion. No votes in that one is there so lets put that on the back burner and concentrate on the economy. What golden opportunities are we missing out in leading the world with alternate energy and creating jobs in it for those displaced from the mines. Which by the way are depleting already by the big miners with technology taking their jobs so the only jobs that seem to be protected are our politicians jobs. We should be looking ahead and developing ways to retain water and turn this country into the food bowl of the world.
    That's the way the mop flops.

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