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    The MOD has agreed the power upgrade for the type 45's.
    The cell will involve cutting a hole in the hull and removing the rw existing diesel alternators an replacing them with 3 RR mtu gensets.
    The work will be carried out by Cammel Laird and overseen by Bae Systems.
    Hope the Rolls Royce gensets are better than those of the sixties and seventies.
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    Good news for the NW of England , and to think a few years ago the local council (cons)wanted to flatten the Laird site to build Flats on.

    Um!! as you say Vic hope Rolls Royce have upped their game as to the quality of the gensets, sailed with them once what disaster.

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    Lewis, good news indeed, but I wouldn't trust the owners (Peel Ports) of Cammel Lairds as far as you can grow them.
    They have promised many things on the Clyde and did the exact opposite.
    Vic

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    I think that the old Rolls Royce has gone and since they took Bergen Diesels over they rebadge the Bergen , a nice engine
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    Strike Begins At Cammell Laird
    Monday, November 26, 2018
    GMB MEMBERS BEGIN STRIKE OVER JOB CUTS AT HISTORIC CAMMELL LAIRD SHIPYARD
    If the decision to slash hundreds of jobs is not reversed it will lead to untold hardship on workers and their families, says GMB Union
    GMB members at Cammell Laird Shipyard in Birkenhead are set to begin industrial action to oppose redundancies and defend their jobs and the future of skilled workers and support staff within the shipyard.
    The Cammell Laird action will start at 4.00pm today with an overtime ban and from 7.00am on Monday 26 November 2018 a three week period of strike action will start.
    Last month, the company it was slashing 291 jobs - nearly 40 per cent of the workforce – by March 2019 [1]
    The joint trade unions have presented a credible and very reasonable alternative to the company to avert the redundancies however this proposal has been rejected, therefore we could see notice of dismissal issued to the workforce from the 3rd December onwards.
    Earlier this month GMB members a voted to defend their jobs and the future of skilled workers and support staff within the shipyard [2].
    This industrial action mandate will lead to a total overtime ban and sustained strike action.
    Albie McGuigan, GMB Regional Organiser, said:
    “This wave of redundancies is completely unbearable. It would lead to untold hardship on workers and their families.
    “For workers to make a decision to take strike action especially at this time of year demonstrates how angry and frustrated they are at the lack of support from Cammell Laird.
    “Our members believed their future was secure after recent announcements of contract awards and agreeing a long term pay agreement.
    “They feel badly let down and they are determined that the threat of redundancy hanging over their heads should be removed immediately.
    {terry scouse}

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    looks like another dead camel....cappy

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    Type 45 Engine problems
    The Type 45 uses a pioneering system called Integrated Electric Propulsion (IEP). There are many advantages associated with IEP, fuel efficiency, flexibility in locating the engines and a supposedly reduced maintenance and manning requirement. In basic terms, two WR-21 gas turbines (GTs) and two Wartsila 2MW diesel generators provide AC power for the motors that propel the ship as well as the power for the ships systems – weapons, sensors lighting etc. The WR-21 GTs were designed in an international partnership with Rolls Royce and Northrop Grumman Marine Systems. The turbines are of a sound design but have an intercooler-recuperator that recovers heat from the exhaust and recycles it into the engine, making it more fuel-efficient and reducing the ship’s thermal signature. Unfortunately the intercooler unit has a major design flaw and causes the GTs to fail occasionally. When this happens, the electrical load on the diesel generators can become too great and they ‘trip out’, leaving the ship with no source of power or propulsion.
    The MoD has not revealed how frequently these blackouts have occurred but the first 2 ships, HMS Daring and HMS Dauntless seem to have suffered the most. The first indication of problems was as far back as 2010 when it was admitted HMS Daring lost all power in mid-Atlantic and had to be repaired in Canada. Although the Type 45s have been active, some significant commitments have been missed. An indication that all is not well could be seen by the number of Type 45s alongside in Portsmouth at any given time during the last few years. Historically the RN has never been a fleet of ‘harbour queens’ and today’s over-worked navy can ill-afford unreliable ships. HMS Daring entered service in 2009, it has taken more than 6 years to agree to deal with the problem and it will probably be well after 2020 before the work is completed. It is obviously dangerous from a seamanship and navigational point of view to suddenly lose propulsion at any time. It is even more serious when operating in a high threat environment as the ship would be a sitting duck.

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    I don't fully understand the proposed strike that Terry is outlined above but I know this sort of job would have been done in Portsmouth dockyard which now has 0 Manpower to carry out this type of work I just don't feel that the commercial dockyards that we have left having seen some work carried out by one of them have the skill base that they used to have it seems a pity when we cry out why do you build the RFA ships in foreign countries and then look to our own Shipbuilding and Ship Repair facilities and we see yet another strike reminiscent of the 1960s and 1970s I don't know what the argument is I just feel the timing isn't good to get into a dispute situation . Maybe it's in my imagination but sometimes I think that management of such facilities like to be confrontational and then they can always blame somebody else for late delivery and then overrun on costs
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    I also do not fully understand the reasons but agree on the points made by Rob, recently we heard of the closure of Appledore yard in N. Devon. Can only think we are constantly being beaten on cost by overseas quotes. Is this cost of labour, Government subsidies, lack of investment, outdated facilities or what? I would really like to know the facts, we as a Nation have to grab back work make it profitable, this has to include ship building / repairs and manufacturing in almost all industries to become successful once more. Strikes can be very ill timed and sometimes fall into the employers plans they always seem so unfortunate.

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    ###not all can be blamed on the unions ....but sadly in the wrong control they have been disaster after disaster for our country .....when governments get involved in the wage people must be paid the bottom falls out the market ...we buy the best value for our money as individuals .....i have shoes made in china shirts jackets bedding furniture light bulbs ...just mention anything we use and its made abroard......why is it made abroard because it is cheaper ...why because they work for less than we work for .....if there is a profit in manufacturing to be made in this country then entrepreneurs would invest in it .....sadly the interference from both unions and governments are the main reason for industries closing .....what fool would invest in making a carpet here and paying a min wage when it can be made and shipped here for 90 percent less than he can make it here... if there was a market for a merchant navy in this country financiers would be hot into it ......perhaps the GMB union with there millions if not billions of assets may chip in for there members who are made redundant .....cappy

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