Navy is now down to five ships.

I tend to agree with most said, we have a good example of what happens when you remove a dictator in Libya, if you remove Assad what will follow ?, absolute carnage with all factions fighting for power.Libya today is just one huge mess, created by the west, kt

Re: Navy is now down to five ships.

Very interesting thread and some really diverse points of view.
Lewis’ comment where he states quote -
Have the politicos world wide learnt nothing or is the power of the lobbyists greater in the halls of power pushing an agenda from the weapons and arms producers!
The problem is that it is one big circle, that is Politics-Global Companies-Major Banks and Financing-Think Tanks- International legal firms; they are the players who are interchangeable who make all the decisions.
Make no mistake, there is still a very active ‘old boys club’ controlling most of the big decisions that affect us all.
Where do ex-pollies go when out of office, usually to one of the others and vice versa.
Our whole system has major flaws and needs a complete overhaul.
Not too long ago i finished reading “The Establishment & how they get away with it” by Owen Jones. Even if a quarter of what he claims is fact{and i believe most if not all is] we should be very concerned for the future.
Re the Falklands war, another great book is Vulcan 007 by Rowland White, the true facts about the astonishing planning and courage of the airmen and women who backed and carried out the mission with the old bombers.

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Re: Navy is now down to five ships.

Very interesting thread and some really diverse points of view.


Re the Falklands war, another great book is Vulcan 007 by Rowland White, the true facts about the astonishing planning and courage of the airmen and women who backed and carried out the mission with the old bombers.

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###i would be suprised if that was written by lewis ......it appears to be a view of some highly educated politico ........not saying lewis is not highly educated of course ...but it is a precis extemely politically motivated .....whether it is the view of the ordinary man or not is surely to be mooted ....a bit too highbrow for myself ......but a view none the less....and of course free speech on here is our ist priority .......cappy

Agree there Cappy, buts its nice to have a debate among us all without descending in to insults. On this particular subject, we are all out our depth i suspect, but we all agree i think that its getting dodgy whatever action is taken.kt

All The average person wants to know is to be kept in the picture with truthful reasons. Not camouflaged in political language. If one has to die an unnatural death the reason for doing so is always nice to know. All the deaths caused through terrorism of the past few years on downed aircraft and random slaughter on the streets has to have a base root cause. Caused by whom would be nice to be confirmed. Actions that should have been taken to reduce such happening. And future actions that should be taking and if not the reason why. Not the usual cry of it’s the law, if the law doesn’t work then change it. Anarchy has been caused many times in different parts of the world for the people in power ignoring the people they are supposed to lead , or dictate to, or just treat as they feel. They bring it on themselves when they fail in those duties. The biggest failure in Europe and is my opinion only was the lifting of border restraints, and following the guidelines or.trying to accomodate old worn out agreements of 1951 vintage. That was a different century.JWS

In giving cross / no border freedoms to the good guys , the terrorists get it too ,

No doubt you have the same system in UK.
A poli does a few terms in parliament, maybe gets to be a cabinet minister.
Looses his seat and the next day is offered some post as an ambassador or head of some company.

It keeps it in the club so the only ones who have any control know who the other guy is.

You keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

We as the 'electorate' have no understanding of how it works, who controls whom, and what is behind it all.

The mushroom treatment was developed by the political masters.

###we had it on tele last night ..tony bliars deputy prime minister of this country ...LORD prescott in a bleedin sausage factory.......isnt that about the true capability of the ex at times prime minister of this country......why should england tremble...cappy

This thread has for most been going well,and I have no complaints as yet so I ask that we just keep as such and also Non Personal please!
Thanks to ALL.

Disappointing, this was a good thread and it has been reduced to talking about Lord Prescott and a sausage factory.