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    Default Re: Can anyone tell me how to find my Dads ship

    Although a good find the Ship Marquesa as i see it was not Blue Star Line it was Houlder Line , so we must look at the list of Ships on his CR2 to find the correct one !

    Houlder Line - Houlder Brothers & Co. (timetableimages.com)

    On the Declaration Page shown (By Marian) it shows First Ship there which looks very much like this may be it, called Avila Star of Blue Funnel Line .
    What are your thoughts ?



    SS Avila Star - Wikipedia

    She was Broken up in 1942 ~

    Crew List for the Ship is also available at the University of Canadian Maritime Archives, for the Years you mention he was on.

    Official_No: 149791
    1927: E2
    1928: E1
    1929: E1
    1930: E1
    1931: E2
    1932: E1
    1933: E2
    1934: E1
    1937: E1
    1938: E2

    Crew List Index Search Results (mun.ca)

    PS Would be good to see that Pic you have there Derek, just for interest sakes! Cheers
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    Default Re: Can anyone tell me how to find my Dads ship

    Hi Doc

    This is amazing, you mention I have at least one ship but I can’t see a name anywhere?

    Del……

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    Brownfield W Pic.jpg

    Yes I think you are right it looks like Avila. Hope the pictures are ok
    The first one is if my Dad only and the other with a crew mate whom I have no idea of a name.
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    Thank you

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    Post Re: Can anyone tell me how to find my Dads ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hall View Post
    Hi, On the CR2 is the following,140586 ships number and ships name MARQUESA.
    Below is a picture of the MARQUESA.
    Attachment 34358
    Mike that is just an example of a named vessel on a typical CR2 card example.It doesn't refer to William Brownfield's details.(See again Vernon's post #4)

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    Post Re: Can anyone tell me how to find my Dads ship

    Assisting with information on s.s.AVILA/AVILA STAR (O.N. 149791) - was Avila 1927-29;Avila Star 1929-1942--lost to torpedo fired by U-201 on 5/7/42 with 62 lives on passage Buenos Aires -Liverpool with passengers/frozen meat. U-BOAT NET Details


    U-BAVILA STAR ex AVILA (O.N. 149791).jpg
    Courtesy of Scottish Built Ships Database

    INFOLINK
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    Fourth Register of Merchant 1913 to 1940 Seaman's Service.

    These records are available at The National Archives and are held on Microfiche in the following classifications BT 348: Register of Seamen, Central Index, Numerical Series (CR 2), BT 349: Register of Seamen, Central Index, Alphabetical Series (CR 1) and BT 350: Register of Seamen, Special Index, Alphabetical Series (CR 10). These three classes were combined in one classification namely BT 364 Register of Seaman, Combined Numerical Index (CR1, CR 2 & CR 10) and were made up by extracting combinations of cards from the other three classes.

    The original records for the above named classifications are now held at the following address: Southampton Archives, Southampton City Council, South Block, Civic Centre, Southampton, S014 7LY. This office is open Tuesdays to Fridays 9.30am to 4.30pm, with one late evening opening each month. There is no charge for a personal visit. Alternatively enquiries for information from the records may be made by post, e-mail or fax but there will be a charge for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepSea View Post
    Fourth Register of Merchant 1913 to 1940 Seaman's Service.

    These records are available at The National Archives and are held on Microfiche in the following classifications BT 348: Register of Seamen, Central Index, Numerical Series (CR 2), BT 349: Register of Seamen, Central Index, Alphabetical Series (CR 1) and BT 350: Register of Seamen, Special Index, Alphabetical Series (CR 10). These three classes were combined in one classification namely BT 364 Register of Seaman, Combined Numerical Index (CR1, CR 2 & CR 10) and were made up by extracting combinations of cards from the other three classes.

    The original records for the above named classifications are now held at the following address: Southampton Archives, Southampton City Council, South Block, Civic Centre, Southampton, S014 7LY. This office is open Tuesdays to Fridays 9.30am to 4.30pm, with one late evening opening each month. There is no charge for a personal visit. Alternatively enquiries for information from the records may be made by post, e-mail or fax but there will be a charge for this.
    Good info however my post #8 does point to the Southampton Archives. Hope that it will assist!
    Thanks Deep Sea
    Just adding more info on the NA at Kew

    Reference: BT 348/1
    Description: Central index to Register of Seamen: numerical series
    Date: 1921-1941
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Copies held at: Available on microfilm in the reading rooms at The National Archives.
    Former reference in its original department: CR 2
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Register of Seamen, Central Index, Numerical Series (CR 2) | The National Archives
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    Have his CR2 Card now so this should help.
    Looks like he only had 2 Ships ? 148130 Ranchi (Peninsular and Orient)

    RANCHI | Passengers in History

    Crew List Index Search Results

    Search results for Crew Lists in the Maritime History Archive
    Types of Agreements and Accounts page provides an explanation for the codes referring to
    the crew agreements held at the Maritime History Archive.


    Official_No: 148130
    1926: E1
    1927: E1
    1928: E1
    1929: E1
    1930: E2
    1931: E2
    1932: E1
    1933: E2
    1934: E1
    1936: E2
    1937: E1

    And the Avila Star
    Cheers




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    Just interested to know Derek, before all this info was posted how did you know of the Years your Dad was on the Ships??? Thanks

    Quote a blue star line vessel between 1927 to 1939.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Brownfield View Post
    Thank you
    SS Avila Star, originally SS Avila, was a British turbine steamship of the Blue Star Line. She was both an ocean liner and a refrigerated cargo ship, providing a passenger service between London and South America and carrying refrigerated beef from South America to London. She was built in 1927, renamed Avila Star in 1929 and lengthened in 1935. She was sunk by a German submarine in 1942 with the loss of 84 lives

    Just of some interest Derek Pics of the Ship different parts of her

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