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5th January 2020, 07:27 AM
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Again just with info provided, possible:
Gladys I Woodward
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name
Gladys I Woodward
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1923
Registration District
Thanet
County
Kent
Event Place
Thanet, Kent, England
Mother's Maiden Name
Sutton
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5th January 2020, 07:33 AM
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Re: Seeking info - WWII
Originally Posted by
Victoria Moss
Gladys Irene Woodward she was born 1923.
Possibly worth a look at the Mormon church site.
LDS - Family search.
Safe, free, they will not contact you.
K.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/...urname%3AMoss~
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6th January 2020, 05:59 AM
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I will look further ASAP.
K.
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6th January 2020, 09:45 AM
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If I remember correctly, Gladys' parents are William and Emily. He might have gone by his middle name. The Woodwards were quite easy to trace, because they stayed in the same area. In 1939, Gladys' middle initial has been transcribed as "J", rather than "I" - In case you wanted to look her up.
Do you know when and where Fred passed away? Maybe even more helpful would be his date of birth - day and month. If we can pinpoint his 1939 register entry, we'll (hopefully) find his first wife, and the rest will become clear.
Catherine
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8th January 2020, 03:21 AM
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Re: Seeking info - WWII
Originally Posted by
Victoria Moss
Fred died in 1982 in Ramsgate Kent. DOB possibly 28th May 1913. That's about all we know. He wasn't forthcoming with details, didn't like to talk about it apparently. Vicki
Hello Vicki,
I believe he was born 28th May 1910 in Leics, to Mabel Annie Moss.
He's living with his uncle and aunt in Leics in the 1911 census.
He married Gladys Mabel Redfern in Q1 1936, in Cubley, Derbys.
Fred and Gladys are living with her parents in 1939.
She re-married in 1950 and had a daughter.
Fred married Gladys Irene Woodward in Q2 1947, in Derby, Derbys.
Mabel's parents were Samuel Moss and Sarah Amoss, from Suffolk.
Mabel was born 1875 in Hasketon, Suffolk, the second of five children. She worked as a housemaid in London. I think she died, unmarried, in 1950, in Deben, Suffolk.
I really hope I'm on the right track. I'm completely addicted to genealogy! (And it's been a nice distraction from the brick walls I've come across in my own trees)
So, it doesn't look like Harold and Fred are closely related, after all, but genetics might find a link. I haven't dabbled with genetics... yet.
Catherine
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11th January 2020, 07:17 AM
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Will both keep looking and trying, can only act on the info given.
Fingers crossed. K.
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11th January 2020, 09:19 AM
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You're welcome!
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Victoria Moss
Imagine in those days illegitimate births, divorces etc would've caused a lot of angst then.
Girls were definitely sent halfway up/down the country! One of my lot was sent from Derbyshire to Dorset to have her illegitimate baby! The baby was brought up as a sibling, until the mother married.
It must have been very difficult for Mabel to leave Fred with her brother, but it seems it was planned well, because he was also Frederick.
I wonder if your Fred ever visited his Suffolk relatives. Did/does your husband even know he had great aunts and uncles in Suffolk? I have more info than the bit I wrote out, but, if you use a genealogy website, you might find that someone else has already made a correlating tree. (Someone seems to have on findmypast, but it would be more clearly laid out on Ancestry)
Good luck with your quest!
Catherine
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12th January 2020, 08:30 AM
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Hello Vicki,
OK, I've had a go at this...
If your mum is Elizabeth May b. 1921, Cardiff...
Grandfather is Alfred G Hayward b. 10th May 1881, Banbridge(?), Hants.
Grandmother is May Alice Smoker b. 26th July 1889, Southampton, Hants.
They married in Q4 1912, in Ringwood, Hants.
May Alice wasn't with her parents in 1891 (she was a one year old "visitor") in Andover, Hants. She was in school in London in 1901, then, I think, working as a cook in Dorset in 1911.
It's going to take a bit more detective work to figure out who her parents were. Also, was your mum an only child? I couldn't find any other Hayward/Smoker children. It's a big gap from 1912 to 1921. Then again, I might be barking up the wrong tree with some of it!
Catherine
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12th January 2020, 10:22 AM
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I have a theory that May Alice had a brother called Reginald. Reginald (b. 1888) was also enrolled at schools by a guardian, rather than a parent. On one of the enrolments, the guardian's name is George. On another, the address given is Old Winchester Road. George might be the brother of Charles H (Henry?) Smoker, who married Ellen (something). George is on a census at Winchester Road, Petersfield.
These are theories. You could do with help from someone in Southampton/Andover/Winchester area to check parish records and schools, etc.
Not sure if I can be of any more help.
Catherine
Last edited by Catherine Cross; 12th January 2020 at 10:25 AM.
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12th January 2020, 10:15 PM
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No promises but, will take another look in the morning.
As with all we start at square one and much more info
provided now hopefully, will help much.
Keith.
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