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    Quote Originally Posted by Catherine Cross View Post
    Hello Vicki,

    I believe he was born 28th May 1910 in Leics, to Mabel Annie Moss.
    He's living with his uncle and aunt in Leics in the 1911 census.

    He married Gladys Mabel Redfern in Q1 1936, in Cubley, Derbys.
    Fred and Gladys are living with her parents in 1939.
    She re-married in 1950 and had a daughter.

    Fred married Gladys Irene Woodward in Q2 1947, in Derby, Derbys.

    Mabel's parents were Samuel Moss and Sarah Amoss, from Suffolk.
    Mabel was born 1875 in Hasketon, Suffolk, the second of five children. She worked as a housemaid in London. I think she died, unmarried, in 1950, in Deben, Suffolk.

    I really hope I'm on the right track. I'm completely addicted to genealogy! (And it's been a nice distraction from the brick walls I've come across in my own trees)
    So, it doesn't look like Harold and Fred are closely related, after all, but genetics might find a link. I haven't dabbled with genetics... yet.

    Catherine
    Thank you Catherine! That sounds like you are on the right track. It's about what we thought esp. the year of birth as our Cousin in UK seemed to think we had the wrong year.....thought he was older as your info. attests.
    Imagine in those days illegitimate births, divorces etc would've caused a lot of angst then. Nowadays part for the course. Look at the Royals.LOL

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    Will both keep looking and trying, can only act on the info given.

    Fingers crossed. K.
    "Our veterans did not forget about us .... Let's not forget about them." From Michael Levesque

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    You're welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria Moss View Post
    Imagine in those days illegitimate births, divorces etc would've caused a lot of angst then.
    Girls were definitely sent halfway up/down the country! One of my lot was sent from Derbyshire to Dorset to have her illegitimate baby! The baby was brought up as a sibling, until the mother married.

    It must have been very difficult for Mabel to leave Fred with her brother, but it seems it was planned well, because he was also Frederick.

    I wonder if your Fred ever visited his Suffolk relatives. Did/does your husband even know he had great aunts and uncles in Suffolk? I have more info than the bit I wrote out, but, if you use a genealogy website, you might find that someone else has already made a correlating tree. (Someone seems to have on findmypast, but it would be more clearly laid out on Ancestry)

    Good luck with your quest!
    Catherine

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    My husband doesn't remember about that. His parents used to visit people in the west midlands but believes they were associated with his father's work not relatives.
    I think our cousin Peter Woodward did try to do a trace at one stage so maybe that's the correlating tree. He didn't seem to find out as much as you though.
    I will be letting Peter know what you have found out, he will be very interested.
    If you are of a mind while you're keen I don't know much beyond my grandmother on my mother's side. Her name was Alice May Hayward. Unfortunately don't know her DOB but I think they lived for a time in Bonvilston, Wales. I visited there in the late 60's. About 6 houses then , probably a commuter suburb of Cardiff now. Amazingly the people there actually remembered my mother as a child.
    My Her parents were in service, Alice a maid and grandad a groomsman. He later went to the first world war as a groom for the horses on the front.
    They later moved to Southampton (Lyndhurst?) during the 2nd world war.
    My mother met and married my dad there while he was in the Australian army.That would've been 1941, my sister was born the same year. Dad went to the middle east then on to Kakoda New Guinea so they didn't meet up again until my sister was 3-4yrs where he met them on Central station in Sydney. My mother had come out as a war bride in a convoy. Their escourt left at Gilbalter from then they were on their own till they got to Australia. She said that a couple of these ships with women and children on board were sunk after that....would've been so scary.
    Both my grandparents were sponsored out to Australia in their later years by my father. Grandad died not long after when I was a small child hence not knowing much about him. My grandmother Alice lived till the 80's I think, died in Sydney.
    That's about all I have but maybe something might come up.
    Cheers Vicki

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    Hello Vicki,

    OK, I've had a go at this...
    If your mum is Elizabeth May b. 1921, Cardiff...
    Grandfather is Alfred G Hayward b. 10th May 1881, Banbridge(?), Hants.
    Grandmother is May Alice Smoker b. 26th July 1889, Southampton, Hants.
    They married in Q4 1912, in Ringwood, Hants.
    May Alice wasn't with her parents in 1891 (she was a one year old "visitor") in Andover, Hants. She was in school in London in 1901, then, I think, working as a cook in Dorset in 1911.

    It's going to take a bit more detective work to figure out who her parents were. Also, was your mum an only child? I couldn't find any other Hayward/Smoker children. It's a big gap from 1912 to 1921. Then again, I might be barking up the wrong tree with some of it!

    Catherine

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    I have a theory that May Alice had a brother called Reginald. Reginald (b. 1888) was also enrolled at schools by a guardian, rather than a parent. On one of the enrolments, the guardian's name is George. On another, the address given is Old Winchester Road. George might be the brother of Charles H (Henry?) Smoker, who married Ellen (something). George is on a census at Winchester Road, Petersfield.
    These are theories. You could do with help from someone in Southampton/Andover/Winchester area to check parish records and schools, etc.
    Not sure if I can be of any more help.
    Catherine
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    No promises but, will take another look in the morning.

    As with all we start at square one and much more info
    provided now hopefully, will help much.

    Keith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catherine Cross View Post
    Hello Vicki,

    OK, I've had a go at this...
    If your mum is Elizabeth May b. 1921, Cardiff...
    Grandfather is Alfred G Hayward b. 10th May 1881, Banbridge(?), Hants.
    Grandmother is May Alice Smoker b. 26th July 1889, Southampton, Hants.
    They married in Q4 1912, in Ringwood, Hants.
    May Alice wasn't with her parents in 1891 (she was a one year old "visitor") in Andover, Hants. She was in school in London in 1901, then, I think, working as a cook in Dorset in 1911.

    It's going to take a bit more detective work to figure out who her parents were. Also, was your mum an only child? I couldn't find any other Hayward/Smoker children. It's a big gap from 1912 to 1921. Then again, I might be barking up the wrong tree with some of it!

    Catherine
    Yes my mother was an only child. Don't forget 1914-18 he was at the front in WW1. Smoker definitely rings a bell as a name in the family. He also used to go away for horse riding on the continent. My grandmother used to say he jockeyed more than horses LOL
    You are absolutely brilliant at this Catherine.
    You are not up the wrong tree, seems like you have again pegged this right. Don't know how you do it. Maybe being in UK helps as a lot of this stuff doesn't seem to be available out here. Thanks a million.

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    Again, you're welcome.
    I use findmypast (dotcodotuk). It has almost the same info available as Ancestry - perhaps not quite as extensive - but I find its layout nice to work with. The hints are often handy too.
    Do you have plenty of info on your grandad's family tree? I didn't go very far back, because you had asked about Alice.

    Back to Harold Moss... I've made attempts to request copies, but the NA want me to be more precise. I really don't know how. I thought the links given here would be plenty for them to help me. It's as though they want me to hire a PI! They whinge about searching "miles of records", but, if it's been catalogued correctly, they won't even have to search a metre! I'm disappointed.
    That's my little grumble for this morning. I'll try again in Feb.

    Catherine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catherine Cross View Post
    Again, you're welcome.
    I use findmypast (dotcodotuk).

    That's my little grumble for this morning. I'll try again in Feb.

    Catherine
    Sorry to hear of you little problem....red tape at it's worst. Probably find the person who has to find the information works to rule or something. LOL
    Maybe you can help me one last time. I have found some info on Roger Norman Smith DOB ?sep 1945 is it Dartford nr London. I think he had a sister and lived in Gillingham Kent with his mother and sister. I think his father was in some sort of institution. He married a Melbourne girl Elizabeth Steele in 1971 and had 2 children. A girl in 1971 and a boy Simon in1973. They were in Canada for about 4yrs around that time so I am not sure where they were born or if they married out here or in Canada.
    They currently live in Victoria I believe. Any direction you can help me with would be appreciated. Thanks. Vicki
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