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    Default Bang Crash (A wee while back)

    This is a Video of a Container Ship the Milano Bridge (a little while back) crashing into a Dock Crane .
    How on Earth do these things happen??
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    Default Re: Bang Crash (A wee while back)

    Suggest the crane should. Not have been placed in position until after Ship was berthed Insufficient fendering on Quay as overhang of ship too big. There is a multitude of errors including bad. Ship handling. Tugs not having lines on ship, this no doubt to save on expense , for as soon as tug has line onboard the cash flow goes screaming upwards. Was there any self harm experiences after the event ? JS

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    #1 How do these things happen, as John says money talks, but that aside quite easily is the answer, a vessel with a displacement of 250,000 tonnes is a difficult animal to control, with such a large surface area a gust of wind can change a situation in a moment, a slow response on an engine movement, a slow response from a tug, an inappropriate helm movement, the list is endless, 250,000 tonnes of metal moving through the water with no brakes, is like trying to stop a street of houses moving with your hand, going astern was definitely of no assistance, and as John said the Port Authorities should have had enough experience not to move the cranes into position before the ship was berthed, surely the harbour master understood the aspects of bow and quarter overhang, hopefully lessons have been learned; but one could theorise for ever, as usual the lawyers will be the winners.

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    Sometimes one can get very complacent with ship handling. Today. You can be on a. Ship with twin screw plus bow and stern thrusters and after you get competent in handling such , suddenly get stuck on a single screw vessel and have to resort to using springs ropes etc. for positioning . It’s best to always to consider yourself on that type of vessel and use all the other bits the same as the original radar sets, as an aid to. Ship handling , and dont get over. Confident. Keep the fancy stuff for the circus or the wall of death. They should also in those shots if didn’t already have Yokohama fenders floating alongside the Quay. JS

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    As you say John she had two tugs in assistance, And why the hell she was steaming into port that close to the quay with her engines is beyond me. I think on this occasion the buck stops with the ships bridge.

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    I rather think the buck stops with the ships bridge after taking it all in Terry.
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    #5, We can all theorise what she should or should not have done, but as none of use were there we don't know the circumstance, so are really not in a position to lay blame, whether the bridge at fault or not, the buck always stops with the bridge. As for use of engines there could be innumerable reasons, one could be kicking ahead with helm to port to swing her stern clear of the vessel in front, but who knows, we don't, a court of inquiry will reach a decision, until then a lot of people are going to have some sleepless nights, some wondering what they could have done differently, if anything. A vessel is allowed to use her engines in port or in the vicinity of the quay. As I mentioned before stopping 250.000 tonnes of steel is no easy matter regardless of the number of tugs attached, or not attached as the case may be.

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    Ivan, From what we can witness with our own eyes, Would you in that situation have used her engines full ahead or full astern, Would you have her wheel hard Port or hard starboard, Because judging only on what we can assume neither would have made any difference to a ship of her size, Her wheel should have been amidships finished with engines and the two tugs in gentle control. Regards Terry.
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    Ted , Ivan will probably tell you the same but with a single right hand fixed conventional propellor going full astern would have the action you see on the video of pushing the bow to starboard and the stern to port as you see on video. I am not aware of the machinery the ship had. Others may know what she. Had. Whether twin screw , thrusters etc. if had time to think about it , if was a comnventinal ship was probably the worse thing to do,but is natural to try and take the way off a ship. Stressful, situations often bring the wrong ways to try and correct.JS.
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    And that's the perfect example John, Regards Terry. I would like to see the video rolled back a bit to see how she got herself into that position in the first instance, Did they have a spring ashore that parted all guesswork on our part i still think the shipping company would have picked up the tab Terry.
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    You would probably need the minutes of the enquiry Ted and peoples statements to build up the sequence of events and hope the board of the enquiry were people with at least a practical working knowlledge and not a bunch of zombies. JS.

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