Artic ice

[John Arton]

Saw this on gcaptain.
Seems a bit different from other reports on ice conditions in the artic such as Greenland and Svalbard.
I know our planets weather is changing but perhaps not as fast as some of the Doom merchants claim.
Rgds
J.A
https://gcaptain.com/early-winter-ic...eid=3b737aa316

[Bill Morrison]

Have only once sailed through an ice field. We were going to Finland the Ice Breaker cleared the way. In the engine room (motor ship) it was freezing and the sound of ice along the hull was rather alarming.
Bill.

[James Curry]

Same here Bill but we were heading for Sweden , a really unerving sound

[j.sabourn]

#2 on the other hand Bill going into Port Churchill on the Hudson Bay one time, the spotter plane was supposed to be giving us leads though the ice , to me at bridge level I saw no floe ice so assumed the observer was drunk , he had a Geordie accent as well. But realised later he might have been correct and was seeing submerged ice that we could not see , so maybe just as well we followed instructions . We always carried about a ton of quick drying concrete down the fore peak store just in case . Cheers JS

[Ralph Knowles]

I was 'Junior Eng' on Troll Park when we were caught out in ice having passed through Cabot Straight towards Stephenville in W Newfoundland. The ice got increasingly thick, from pan-ice to wind compacted ridged ice as we entered Bay St George. Having rammed a channel through the night with many ahead and astern engine movements, my hands had blisters maneuvering the knurled sticks of the RND Sulzer. When the skipper called Full Ahead/Astern he meant it and we had to manually override the bridge control. After eight hours of ramming ice we gave up and were still icebound ten days later. One night we 'drifted about nine Nm as the ice continued to pile up. Eventually two of the large St Lawrence ice-breakers battered their way to us from the Quebec coast. The John A Macdonald and the Dibreville eventually escorted us into port. Conditions in the engine room, whilst ice bound, and also whilst in port were very cold with a layer of ice all over the internal ships side. The donkey boiler was barely capable of keeping the engine warm let alone the rest of the ER and the accommodation. All we had were duffle coats to wear over our boiler suits and our shore going gear. I think there were a couple of ski-doo suits which were commandeered by bridge crew. We were stuck in port for a further two week with over six feet of snow on the quay. Quite an experience, not to be repeated.

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Ralph
We saw some ice running to both the St Johns and Montreal but none like you expierenced, ours was heavy floes drifting.
Des

[happy daze john in oz]

Last ship out of Lulea in Sweden in December 64, we had an ice breaker lead the way.

But all this doom and gloom about climate and melting ice flows.

Been in the Baltic region 4 times in the last 6 years, always mid summer there.
As low as 500 meters snow is there all year round, and come October the snow season begins.
Speaking with a number of locals over the years, most of them say there is no difference in snow or ice levels in their life time.

A couple of years back the scientists in NZ said the ice shelf there was deeper and wider than ever recorded.
So what is going on?

As to Methane, one of the largest emitters is a volcano in Kazakhstan which it is claimed spews about 35% of global total.

[j.sabourn]

#7 There are more natural emissions of oil from the sea bed than there is ever going to be accidental man made ones John. As man in his quest for looking into the past long before man existed probably is astounded by his research , so should not be surprised that the world is constantly changing and to the ordinary living person today due to the miniscule of life expectancy is not going to really effect him , more than it has to his predessors , fire, flood, earthquake
And volcanic action has always been there and will continue to do so , the earth in real time is just one of millions of others going through its own birth or dying pangs, a hundred in age is old to us, but a hundred billion is nothing to some other worlds before disappearing. JS

[James Curry]

All us armchair crtics talking about Weather/Climate change, no one can deny that during our life time the climate and weather patterns have changed.
Perhaps this is the normal cycle of things which has always been going on.
I remember while growing up we had fogs still do to this day but at least we do not have anything like the great London fog/smog of the 1950's
Reason for that is the work put into clean air acts. People complain about London ULEZ charge, if you don't like it leave the car at home. We all need clean air to breath, some of us are more affected by air polution than others.
Tell the people of Tampa & Florida there is no climate change going on , they may not agree. But they want to live in Florida stop interferring with the Everglades man has done enough damge there.

[John Arton]

Going up to Montreal in winter on the canmar ambassador container ship, fully ice strengthened, never had any problems getting through the ice in the gulf of st. Lawrence nor up the river. Would half in lake saint Pierre overnight to wait for icebreaker escort up to the berths in Montreal, the icebreaker was also acting as guide as all winter navigation marks, buoy's etc. would be not seen during nighttime.
Got stuck in the ice on a geared bulker that had no ice classification, during loading in udevalla in Sweden. The harbour iced over but once clear of the berth the transit to sea had no solid ice cover.
Going through ice I always found a fascinating experience, seeing bears and deer crossing the ice in the gulf of st. Lawrence was certainly a sight. One of c.p beaver boats, I think it was the beaaverpine got stuck in ice and bears came right up to the ship searching for food, definitely stopped any thought of getting off the ship to take photo's of her tuck in ice.
Rgds
J.A