docking day

[Des Jenkins]

Ivan
I know it is a long time ago but you mentioned Sundays at sea, did the Govt ever tax you on them after you packed up the sea? Only asking as I still fume that I had to pay 76 pounds Tax on mine in 57 before they would let me onto the ship when I was emigrating to NZ, I always thought all tax was taken out at payoff.
Des

[j.sabourn]

#31 when I was second mate Des I on some ships used to do the pay off slips. Your total wages and leave were added together for tax purposes , you then went into the tax tables with the gross earnings and the total length of voyage and leave and the tax showing from the book was deducted at source. That was the way I did it at least . Others may have done it differently .but as I was doing it the way the tax book told you to do. Your tax file number was also utilised in conjunction with these figures . Personally I don’t think myself ever filled in a tax return form
individually when home on leave as being ashore I was always on contract and money earned otherwise was always done by the company accountants. JS

[happy daze john in oz]

Once got a demand from the inland revenue, said I owed them tax.
This was about September time and I had no idea what it was all about.

Sent a reply in the prepaid envelope saying it was not my fault if not enough tax had been taken by my employer.
Go ask them I replied.
Never heard from them again.

[j.sabourn]

#33 if you did not take your leave as such then they would assume that was extra earnings as such and would be due to pay tax on as would put your salary up , if it’s any conciliation I think they didn’t tax the sbsistance, but I may be wrong on that one as not taken the leave the subsistence was part of the deal. When we first came to live here in Oz it was a job to get a tradesman after March , I had to talk and bribe a floor Tyler to do a small job for me and he said he had earned his quota for the year and booking me in as a client would put him in a higher bracket . This also applied to offshore work , it was hard to get a seafarer working outside of his regular working days due to the enormous tax taken by the government . I was always getting call outs during my leave to do favours before I copped on to it , working 1 on and one off and not abiding by those terms could treble your salary at times and also your tax commitment , I never had a tax file number until got citizen ship so every dollar was taxed and even when got citizenship was very rare for me to pay less than $40,000 a year and that was in the 1990s .Income tax is the worse enemy of the working man .Cheers JS don’t forget the highest bracket out here was 49:cents in the dollar . By the time deductions such as tax ,union fees, Medicare etc etc you were literally working for much less than half you worked for and gave no one the inclination to work extra hours., JS

[Ivan Cloherty]

Ivan
I know it is a long time ago but you mentioned Sundays at sea, did the Govt ever tax you on them after you packed up the sea? Only asking as I still fume that I had to pay 76 pounds Tax on mine in 57 before they would let me onto the ship when I was emigrating to NZ, I always thought all tax was taken out at payoff.
Des

Can't honestly answer that question Des, as I had always assumed in those days that tax was deducted before pay off. If it wasn't then I may owe a lot of tax earned from all my S@S on my 22 month trip, but on that trip got a 12 month tax exemption as was out of the UK for two consecutive April 5th's.

When doing Portage Bills in later life the S@S earnings were always included for tax purposes

[David John]

Hello John (a nd Mrs John). We are coming up to our 62 nd anniversary this year...this delightful lady rescued me from A Life of Hardship At SEA. ???? Should thar read Alcoholism and Fornication ?? Best thing that happened to me...I think... Enjoy life together whilst you. can..

[j.sabourn]

Ref. #34 I should have said for those who don’t know it a Sunday at sea had to be at least 8 hours , if FWE was rung at 0759 then you didn’t get it , and I’ve seen that done as well it was 1 days leave and one days subsistence on top of the annual 3/weeks or whatever it was in those days . IS

[happy daze john in oz]

As to tax whet is going on in UK?

I hear that Rachelle from accounts is now apply tax to pensions.


Two of wife's relis in UK live off pensions of one kind or another including aged one.
How do they manage to tax pensions on which tax would have already been paid??

[j.sabourn]

The same as they do here John just consider it as earnings and deduct it from your pension of the country you live in . JS

[Tony Taylor]

As to tax whet is going on in UK?

I hear that Rachelle from accounts is now apply tax to pensions.


Two of wife's relis in UK live off pensions of one kind or another including aged one.
How do they manage to tax pensions on which tax would have already been paid??

Pensions have always been taxed, state or otherwise, if your income exceeded the tax free allowance. My state pension exceeds the tax free allowance as I paid SERPS (State earnings related pension scheme) for a while in the 70s