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5th May 2023, 09:50 AM
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Last sailing ship
Liverpool s last sailing ship is set to be dismantled due to the costs of its upkeep.
Rgds
J.A.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0vxq5e94zjo
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5th May 2023, 10:41 AM
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Re: Last sailing ship
What to hell is wrong with the city of Liverpool one of the greatest maritime ports in the world. It is a top tourist attraction. Disgusting when you consider some of the most famous Merchant Navy companies operated out of the port of Liverpool & Birkenhead Blue Funnel, PSNC CP Clan Line etc!. Cities like Hamburg , Stockholm, Oslo and as far afield as Melbourne preserve merchant vessels in maritime muesum. Someone somewhere needs their ass kicking in Liverpool council or the Maritime muesum. I have visited the Maritime muesum many times , they do not actively promote the De Wadden as an exhibit or certainly not that I have noticed. Look at the mess you would have to risk a leg breay to get to see this old lady.
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Melbourne would put Liverpool to shame how come they can preserve the Polly Woodside and Liverpool are going to take a few 3d photos and then dismantle this old lady.
If there is not a football involved Liverpool could not give a toss about it's maritime history, shame on the city for letting this happen.
Over £39 million has been spent on the Mary Rose and that is not counting the cost. What have you got ? a few bits of timber that costs a fortune to preserve. But come on surely the city of Liverpool could preserve the de Wadden. A good start would be to protect her. Surely it would not cost a fortune to build a roof over the Graving Dock.
Last edited by James Curry; 5th May 2023 at 11:16 AM.
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5th May 2023, 11:21 AM
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Re: Last sailing ship
Its not only Liverpool that has cast the MN aside, go to Greenwich and you'll be hard pressed to find much relating to the MN, apparently there is only one navy!
Go to Britannia Naval College at Dartmouth, you will find that all the models of the RFA ships are flying the White ensign, when I pointed out to the curator (RN) I was told to mind my own business. On a guided tour you will learn that it was the Royal Navy that discovered all the lands of the Empire !!, no mention of the merchant adventurers who really had, no mention that Nelsons warships were piloted my Merchant Master mariners or that Nelson was kept fully supplied with replacement troops and ordnance during his battles by merchant vessels sailing to and fro from the battles to Plymouth to replenish the fleet
Go on the Great Eastern at Bristol, you will find she is flying the white ensign, when I pointed out that GE was never a Naval vessel and the vessel should be flying the Red Ensign, he told me I was wrong, I told him go do some research I am here for two hours. He later found me and apologised and said it should be the Red Ensign, so I said are you going to change it, he said oh no the public will never know.
As an island nation our museums and heritage sites are a bleddy disgrace and an insult to the men who kept this country alive through the centuries.
A man once said 'THE ASTOUNDING IGNORANCE OF MARITIME MATTERS MANIFESTED BY THE BRITISH PEOPLE GENERALLY MAKES ME GASP IN AMAZEMENT' that was a statement made in the House of Commons in the year 1900. Nothings changed much has it?
Also in 1900 the USNaval Historian Capt Alfred Mahan wrote that Britain will depend as far as ahead that we can see, not on the Royal Navy, but on the merchant ships that actually carry the basic requirements both in peace and war. Pity our Governments could not see it.
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5th May 2023, 11:27 AM
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Re: Last sailing ship
James, not just Liverpool, my home town of Port Glasgow, was given a replica of the Comet.
The Comet was the Worlds first commercial steamship, what did the council do? Let it rot, they now have to remove the waste and have no money to replace.
Vic
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5th May 2023, 11:34 AM
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Hello
The Maritime Museum at Greenwich had a photo of the Rescue Ship 'Rathlin' as HMS. I told the Curator that it had better be changed PDQ or my Dad would come back to haunt him !!
He changed it.
Brenda
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5th May 2023, 01:48 PM
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Re: Last sailing ship
Regarding ensigns rather ironically the Navy get it correct in that WARRIOR wears a red ensign at her berth in the museum in Portsmouth. This is of course entirely correct as when a commissioned warship she was part of the Red Squadron of the RN, this being before the upheaval when the red/white/blue squadrons were abolished and all warships changed to wearing a white ensign.
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6th May 2023, 05:55 AM
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Re: Last sailing ship
Though not having any ships there the Nautical Museum in Wellinton NZ is one of the most informative I have visited over the years.
Yes the "Polly' is going well and very popular with visitors.
Happy daze John in Oz.
Life is too short to blend in.
John Strange R737787
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7th May 2023, 05:03 AM
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If you want to visit a top nautical museum, try Ballina in NSW. Manned by both MN & RN magic place.
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8th May 2023, 01:06 AM
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John A.
Its odd that they can't get the flags right on ships that are not really that old, yet they can find , {In that other article in your post} all about the various Viking ancestry many years previously.
Des
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