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21st January 2023, 12:22 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
#14 The last ship flying the proper Red Ensign out here was in NZ forget what year it was but was. About a year before. Lou Barron died as was doing a. Tour of Kiwi and made a point of visiting him in Dunedin . The ferry going from the North Island to the South Island was flying the unadultriated Red Ensign. She was however Registered in Portsmouth. JS
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21st January 2023, 05:01 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
From my observation when in port all Princess, Cunard and Australian P&O cruise ships fly the Red duster when in port.
Along with the house flag and flag of country in.
Those three are all registered in Hamilton Burmuda but part of the Carnival group of cruise ships.
As to some of the others in the group such as Carnival, Holland America, P&O UK, Costa I have not seen the Duster on them even though some are registered in Hamilton.
A very odd situation.
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21st January 2023, 11:20 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
Maybe they are actually registered in Hamilton in Scotland? but not letting on incase wee bunny wants a few quid or a jolly ham.jpg this could be a new ensign for the cruise lines mentioned
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22nd January 2023, 02:46 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
#22. You’ve missed out the House Jack or pilot Jack John or didn’t you get up to the pointy end ? JS
PS Obviously all these ships were clear of Covid otherwise would of also be flying the Q flag as well. Cheers JS
Used to also be the practice on passenger ships to fly the national flag of the next country to visit. Today however with the new design of ships there would be insufficient masts and crosstrees with halyards to fly them all. Cheers JS.
The new design of most passenger ships clarifies in my mind they are not built with old seamanship practices in mind , flag carrying or showing is just one instance , the same applies to old navigation methods , the bridge watchkeeper is cocooned in a sealed chamber with no real access to the heavens above which rules out celestial navigation no matter what spiel they give to passengers , also physical compass bearings and such like , which leaves us all with reliance on computer and electronics reliability for getting around. We live among robotic intelligence. Looking at some of our politicians I sometimes think we have advanced even further and the decision has been taken not to let the public know. Cheers JS
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22nd January 2023, 09:33 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
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, the same applies to old navigation methods , the bridge watchkeeper is cocooned in a sealed chamber with no real access to the heavens above which rules out celestial navigation no matter what spiel they give to passengers , also physical compass bearings and such like , JS
Gone are the days when you could walk out on the bridge wing and sniff the air look at the sea surface and say to yourself 'something's coming' you didn't need a computer to tell you. Mind you on the wing of a VLCC you can go for a proper hike.
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22nd January 2023, 09:57 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
Venezuela was another country where enforcement of respect for the National flag was rather extreme (in the 60's and 70's). Letting it touch the deck was considered a serious crime. Flag etiquette is indeed a long forgotten and now abused protocol. It hardly matters though as it is almost impossible to get close enough to a proper ship to read her name or port of registry, let alone close enough to see a flag, with all the Port security protocols and standards currently in place - and sadly it's unlikely to get any better.
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23rd January 2023, 04:47 AM
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Care of the flag is indeed something of the past.
On one ship i saw the Duster being shoved into a cleaning locker screwed up like a bit of rubbish.
I wrote to the ship's captain with my concerns, he replied and after that the flag was put away correctly on that cruise.
Have had the opportunity to visit the bridge on a large cruise ship.
Nothing like we knew, the wheel is little more than a joy stick, the helmsman spending most of his time staring at a screen.
But the window area is large so a very good view of the water ahead, and on this one a storage place for just about every flag you may need.
All correctly stored in order in a flag book case for want of a better description.
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23rd January 2023, 05:18 AM
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Observing ships of various types in many ports around the world a great majority appear to be registered in Panama.
A few in Singapore, a few in Monrovia some Hong Kong but have yet to see any UK registered ones.
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23rd January 2023, 05:25 AM
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Re: Ports of registry
Can anyone quote different to the following freeboard certificate painted on their plimsolls .e.g. LR ( Lloyd’s Register ) AB ( American Bureau ) Or NV ( Norske Veritas ) JS
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23rd January 2023, 10:56 AM
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Can anyone quote different to the following freeboard certificate painted on their plimsolls .e.g. LR ( Lloyd’s Register ) AB ( American Bureau ) Or NV ( Norske Veritas ) JS
John, B.V. bureau veritas France, G.L.Germanische Lloyd Germany, N.K. Nippon kaui kyokia Japan and C.A. Commonwealth of Australia. R.I. register Italian shipping, I.R. Indian register of shipping.
Must admit to googling these.
Regards Michael
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