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    Default Re: Rosewood WW11 medal query

    As regards medals or campaign ribbons as I prefer to call them all you have to to do today to compare the differences , is to take a young British or Australian soldier dressed for the occasion and compare him with his earlier model of 39/45 vintage to see the difference in the salad dressing on his left breast. It used to be and still is in some walks of life to be considered very ostentatious to put up more than 3 ribbons or medals on a dress uniform or any dress civilian or otherwise. Today you see more likely near to 3 dozen. This says different things to different people, which some keep quite about. JS...
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    The gulf was declared a war zone throughout the Iraq/ Iran war.
    I was mate on a chemical tanker at the time and did one trip to Al jubail to load caustic for Kwinana. Went through the straight of Hormuz on Christmas day in a convoy escorted by the navy, came out loaded on New year's Day and got 7 days double wages as war zone bonus.
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    Later working with the Greeks, one captain had been hit on 3 separate occasions whilst working on crude oil tankers shuttling between kharg and fax lafan island which was being used as a safe ship to ship transfer site. He told me the money he got for around one year's work enabled him to set his family up for life.
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    Some were luckier the others I suppose

    What were the years of the Iran / Iraqi war in case I am getting my dates mixed up ? JS
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arton View Post
    The gulf was declared a war zone throughout the Iraq/ Iran war.
    I was mate on a chemical tanker at the time and did one trip to Al jubail to load caustic for Kwinana. Went through the straight of Hormuz on Christmas day in a convoy escorted by the navy, came out loaded on New year's Day and got 7 days double wages as war zone bonus.
    Nice crimbo present
    Later working with the Greeks, one captain had been hit on 3 separate occasions whilst working on crude oil tankers shuttling between kharg and fax lafan island which was being used as a safe ship to ship transfer site. He told me the money he got for around one year's work enabled him to set his family up for life.
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    I was C/E on supply vessel out of Jebel Ali in 85, American flag, $66 a day, no bonus, operating to within 1/2 mile of Iranian waters, got buzzed regularly, worst thing was you didn't hear them coming.

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    Supersonic ? sound caught up after they had gone. Suppose if they were serious it would be better not to hear them. During the war sitting under the kitchen table it was probably worse with the V1s than the V2s . The V1s you heard as were motor driven and heard Chug Chug , when you heard the Chug Chug stop knew they were on their way down and crossed every part crossable. With the next advance they were rockets and only knew they were there when they knocked on the door. The same buzzing of aircraft was very noticeable when the yanks blockaded Cuba , it was a time to fly the ensign at sea and hope it wasnt mistaken for the Russian one must look very similar when flying past at 600 knots at mast height. Cheers JS
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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    Does anyone know which medals were struck and for what campaigns that merchant seafarers were able to apply for since 1946. E.G The Suez Canal campaign ribbon was available for m.n. Personel. What about other war zones..
    Other post WWII medals Merchant Seamen were entitled to Korea, Cyprus, Palestine, Suez, Gulf, Falklands. Members of the RFA have also qualified for Afghanistan and other Nato Medals for the Balkans.
    "Across the seas where the great waves grow, there are no fields for the poppies to grow, but its a place where Seamen sleep, died for their country, for you and for peace" (Billy McGee 2011)

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    If you write to the MCA in Cardiff you can establish your dads medal entitlement. He will definitely get the Defence Medal 39/45. Then there's a 6 month qualyfying service for the 39/45 star, once you have that you then need additional 180 days service to claim the Atlantic star or depending on time and theatres of war possibly Pacific, burma, africa stars. This is the claims form. https://www.gov.uk/government/public...plication-form. Note the stars other than Atlantic & 39/45 only need 1 days service over the 180 to qualify for the 39/45 star which you must get before all others. good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Sayers View Post
    If you write to the MCA in Cardiff you can establish your dads medal entitlement. He will definitely get the Defence Medal 39/45.
    Merchant Seamen did not qualify for the Defence Medal. People need to check their facts first before posting, as it gives people a false sense of hope when undertaking applications for relatives medals.

    War Medal 1939-1945

    Awarded to all who's service included at least 28 days at sea, or whose service was terminated by death, injury, or capture.

    1939-1945 Star

    Awarded for service between 3rd September 1939 and 2nd September 1945 and if the service period was terminated by death or disability due to service. A Merchant Seaman could qualify after 6 months' service with at least one voyage in an operational area.

    Atlantic Star 1939-1945

    Awarded after the Battle of the Atlantic for service between 3rd September 1939 and 8th May 1945 and if the service period was terminated by their death or disability due to service. The qualifying service period for the Atlantic Star could only begin after the 1939-1945 Star had been earned by 6 months' service. A Merchant Seaman had to serve in the Atlantic, home waters, North Russia Convoys or South Atlantic waters.

    Africa Star 1940-1943

    Awarded for service between 10th June 1940 and 12th May 1943, serving in the Mediterranean. A Merchant Seaman might also qualify serving in operations off the Moroccan coast between 8th November 1942 and 12th May 1943. The minimum qualifying period was one day.

    Pacific Star 1941-1945

    Awarded for service in the Pacific Ocean, South China Sea or the Indian Ocean between 8th December 1941 and 2nd September 1945. Any person qualifying for both the Pacific Star and the Burma Star is awarded only the first Star earned. A Clasp is worn denoting service for the other Star.

    Burma Star 1941-1945

    Awarded for service in the Burma Campaign between 11th December 1941 and 2nd September 1945. Awards were confined to Navy service in the Bay of Bengal enclosed by lines running 300 miles off the Southern point of Ceylon to a point 300 miles from the Southern most tip of Sumatra, continued to the Western side of the Sunda Strait. Also including the Straites of Malacca.

    Italy Star 1943-1945

    Awarded for service between 11th June 1943 and 8th May 1945, in the Mediterranean and the Aegean Sea. Operations in and around the Dodecanese, Corsica, Greece, Sardinia and Yugoslavia after 11th June 1943 would also qualify. Awarded only to those who qualified for the 1939-45 Star

    France & Germany Star 1944-1945

    Awarded for service between 6th June 1944 and 8th May 1945, in direct support of operations in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany, in the North sea, the English Channel or the Bay of Biscay. Any person qualifying for this Star and the Atlantic Star is awarded only the first earned, plus Clasp. A silver rose emblem is worn on the ribbon bar.
    "Across the seas where the great waves grow, there are no fields for the poppies to grow, but its a place where Seamen sleep, died for their country, for you and for peace" (Billy McGee 2011)

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    Default Re: Rosewood WW11 medal query

    John #37

    Re award of the Defence Medal. My Aunt's father went down with his ship in the Atlantic, WW11. He was awarded the Atlantic Star and the War Medal, and is awaiting the Arctic Star (rather his daughter is). Please correct me, but I thought the Defence Medal was for civilian activities during WW11, such as ambulance drivers and wardens etc.. I know technically M.N Seamen came under the category of civilians to distinguish from armed military. But I wasn't aware that MN veterans could get both War Medal and Defence Medal?

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    For Australian merchant seamen who are medal hungry and outside of the wartime ones struck. You can easily claim the Australian Merchant Navy Service Cross. When this medal was shown as there to claim I did so. My first response was it has to be under the Australian Flag. My response was obvious , you don’t have any ships under the Australian flag. So the reply was ok as long as you are an Australian citizen. The limitations for receiving such are 15 years service , And every 15 years a clasp. You can google this for further info. The office for such is in Tasmania and you should also find this if so want to . It was free in 1999 and suppose it still is. JS
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