Rosewood WW11 medal query

[Doc Vernon]

Have a look at this Link Karen it may assist you if you contact the Person who's Email is there, as you can see it also refers to the Southampton Archives.
Cheers and Good Luck

Contact Irish Mariners

Still no Records found of any Medals awarded ????

[j.sabourn]

The Rosewood was one of John I Jacobs vessels. They had a big office in London. They no longer own vessels as such but still have a finger in the pie of shipping and still I believe on the stock market. They were a very reputable company to work for and even sent me the few coppers I had in their pension fund 20 years later, others never did. May be worth getting in touch with them if they still have records . JS

It may sound a long shot , but another Company I was with for 11 years , Sir Walter Runcimans better known as Moor Line Ltd. had an office at 56 Pilgrim Street Newcastle on Tyne , had in their office foyer in a glass case , a leather bound ledger of all the men lost during both wars , on their ships and also ships managed by them. They later moved up to Glasgow under the umbrella of Anchor Line where I rather think they were the main shareholder and worked under the name of Runcimans Shipping. I have no doubt the book also went with them.
AsRegards theRosewood And John I Jacobs I never visited their office too many times but they may of had similar. They were I was told when I worked for them one of the oldest, if not the oldest privately owned tanker companies in the UK.
JS

[Keith at Tregenna]

Old photograph of Scoonie War Memorial on Durie Street in Leven, Fife, Scotland.

Roll Of Honour includes: Assistant Cook, John Black Gartshore, Merchant Navy, M.V. Rosewood.

https://tour-scotland-photographs.bl...-memorial.html

Will add a phone number - e.mail address etc ASAP, would suggest contacting:

RSS Cardiff
Registry of Shipping and Seamen
Anchor Court
Ocean Way
Cardiff
CF24 5JW

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...plication-form

K.

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[Doc Vernon]

VERY GOOD find that is Keith

[Keith at Tregenna]

Team work Doc, all helps to build a picture and find more.

Touch wood more will be found.

K.

[Jennifer Cairns]

I cant trace a medal, but you can download a commemorative certificate...
[url]https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2787469/JOHN%20BLACK%20GARTSHORE/

[DeepSea]

Unfortunately as mentioned there is no surviving medal file for a John Black Gartshore. Again unfortunately it now gets a bit more complex. The next option would be to access his CRS-10 service file held at the National Archives at Kew, but this would incur costs if you cannot visit in person or get someone to access his file. The records you require are held in the 1941 to 1972 Fifth Register of Merchant Seaman's Service

These records are held in classification BT 382. The Fifth Register of Seaman’s Service 1941 to 1972 These files are held in block by surname of up to 60 individuals and the reason why you would to check in person or pay the Archives and there is a ridiculous charge of around £100 per hour. Other researchers are available for a reduced price. His file should be in BT 382/631 covering the surnames "Garrity B to Gascoine J"

These details from his CRS-10 include the following information: Name of seaman, Date and place of birth, Discharge (Seaman’s) book number, Rank, Details of the ships on which he served. These include:

Name of ship and official number, date of engagement (Joining ship), Date of discharge (Leaving ship), whether ship was a foreign going of home trade vessel, and records in some cases National Insurance contributions. Details shown in these records are similar to those contained in an individual seaman's discharge book.

Once you had copies of his service you would then need to get copies of the ship Movement Cards for each ship he served on during the war to cross reference with the dates he was on board to find which Campaign Medals he would be entitled to. These files can be downloaded from Kew at a cost of £3.50 per ship. You would then need to send copies of this to the following.

Medal Officer
MCA
PO Box 420
Cardiff
CF24 5XR

Tanker Rosewood, 5,989grt, (John I. Jacobs & Co. Ltd) loaded with a cargo of fuel oil at New York for the Clyde joined the 57 ship Convoy SC-121, which departed New York on the 23rd February 1943. The convoy was first sighted on the 6th March by U-405 of which the main part of the convoy had been in total disarray as the ship’s battled through force ten winds, huge seas, blinding snow storms and a mix of hail and rain. The following day twenty six U-boats descended on the struggling convoy and the first attacked began on the 7th March, lasting for four days with the loss of thirteen Merchant ships and one naval escort. The Rosewood was one of five ships torpedoed on the 9th March, hit by one torpedo from U-409 the ship caught fire and eventually broke in two, though both sections remained afloat. It is not known how many men survived the initial attack, but by the time the American coastguard cutter USS Bibb found the remains of the stricken tanker all forty-two crewmembers had gone and were never heard from again. The USS Bibb then proceeded to sink the wreck by gunfire to prevent a hazard to shipping.

Commemorated Tower Hill Memorial. Panel 88

GARTSHORE, Assistant Cook, JOHN BLACK, M.V. Rosewood (London). Merchant Navy. 9th March 1943. Age 20.

[Anne Yannetta]

Hi my search on National Archives, after removing some of their filters (had to do the same when searching for my Dad), I came across this record. Some of the info is close to what you have provided. You will need to contact the Archives, as the record isn't digitized yet, to confirm this is your Great Uncle. It provides a full birth date and a variation of Dunbeath.

R218227 GARTSHORE J 26/07/1922 DINBERTH
Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Central Register of Seamen: Seamen's Records ('Pouches'). Discharge A numbers R217965 - R218232. R218227 GARTSHORE J 26/07/1922 DINBERTH.

Held by: The National Archives, Kew - Board of Trade and successors
Date: 1913 - 1972
Reference: BT 372/296/159
https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/C8177352

Also came across a few links for a George Gartshore, WW1, (possible father of John???). There were 151 Gartshore records in total, you might find other relatives as most, if not all, seem to be from Scotland. There's even reference to a Gartshore Military Hospital used in WW1.

If you contact: MOD Medal Office, Room G36, Innsworth House, Imjin Barracks, Gloucester, GL3 1HW
They will be able to tell you the records they have, what medals he was entitled to and whether they had been issued. If they weren't issued, then you will need to provide documents proving you are the next of kin and entitled to receive them.

I hope this helps and good luck with your search.
Anne

[Keith at Tregenna]

Thanks all, some great help and info for Karen.
Hope she may update on her quest and will
keep looking for more.

Keith.

[DeepSea]

If you contact: MOD Medal Office, Room G36, Innsworth House, Imjin Barracks, Gloucester, GL3 1HW They will be able to tell you the records they have, what medals he was entitled to and whether they had been issued. If they weren't issued, then you will need to provide documents proving you are the next of kin and entitled to receive them. I hope this helps and good luck with your search. Anne

Merchant Seamen medal entitlement were not issued by the MOD, but by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen, now the MCA in Cardiff and this is who you need to contact

Medal Officer
MCA
PO Box 420
Cardiff
CF24 5XR

Unlike the three armed services during WWII who automatically received their medal entitlement, Merchant Seamen had to apply separately for theirs

At the conclusion of World War 2 an initial medal assessment was carried out and medal papers were raised including details of a seaman’s service. These were sent to ports to await the signature of the veteran, as to the accuracy of the information, and then returned to the RGSS. Medals were not automatically issued but had to be claimed by the veteran. These papers are still retained by the MCA but, due to the ravages of time and the process, are not now totally complete. This series contains Database of World War II Medals issued to Merchant Seamen 1946-2002 which is a record of medals claimed and issued. This gives details of the ribbons and medals issued to individual seamen for their service in World War 2. It records each seaman’s name plus, usually, his discharge book number and date and place of birth as well as the medals, ribbons and clasps issued together with a reference to the medal papers file.