PS Waverley accident.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Did earlier put a thanks on both your replies,
bit busy to reply. Appreciate your response
and as said, really just wondered who would
enforce it, esp in harbours rather than docks
and ports etc, Is PS taken more like PSV and
though regulated, rules differ.

Only ask to learn find / out more.

Interested as the question was raised, can ask
in a few days more from many as to how it is
allowed but, will see what comes up here first.

K.

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[Fouro]

Considering he was the Captain when the PS Waverley was involved in previous similar accidents and also taking it upon himself because he is Welsh, to fly the Welsh national flag "which is illegal aboard a British Merchant ship", I can't see this Captain ever being in charge of the PS Waverley again after the Inquiry into the recent accident is finished.

Regards from,
Fouro.

[happy daze john in oz]

Ivan, you are correct mate.
Flag protocol applies across all ships be they cargo, tankers or any form of passenger ships.

But it could well be that only those of us who sailed know and fully understand this.
Doubt any shore sider would understand.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Best as suggested earlier await result of investigation of this accident.

No indication as yet if the flag would be part of that or even taken into
account, MSA 95 - seems to dismiss this.

Keith.

[vic mcclymont]

Surely you can fly any flag on the jack staff. Think of the shipping companies that had there own flag which was flown on jack staff.
Vic

[Fouro]

Surely you can fly any flag on the jack staff. Think of the shipping companies that had there own flag which was flown on jack staff.
Vic

A Jack a flag flown on a staff at the bow of a ship is a relatively insignificant flag, although I believe a Jack would be subject only to the laws of the country in which the ship was registered.

Regards from,
Fouro.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Surely you can fly any flag on the jack staff. Think of the shipping companies that had there own flag which was flown on jack staff.
Vic

Vic, you cannot fly a national flag on the jackstaff, if you wanted to fly the Union Jack on the jack staff it had to be be on a white background. The only vessels allowed to fly their own country's flag on the jackstaff are naval vessels. You can fly the company house flag on the jackstaff but the Welsh flag is a national flag thereby breaking the rules if flown on the jackstaff. The only reason it was flown on the 'Waverley' is one man's ego and nothing more.

'look at me boyo, if you want your ship crashing then please contact me, isn't it Taff'

[Fouro]

A few lines I've made up.

Next Year.

If you've booked a trip on PS Waverley next year,
Please stay a safe distance away from the pier,
Be warned of a Welsh Captain with self esteem,
Who believes in hitting piers to stop, is far better than wasting steam,
So once again when she goes in for repair,
Future crews will look after her with tender loving care.

Regards from,
Fouro.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Seems a bit odd to blame someone for what may
prove to be a mechanical failure and before an inquiry.

The vessel also has always sailed under the red ensign
with very experienced crews.

The paddle steamer "Waverley" has often flown the Scottish
Saltire and others at her bow, seems a decades old tradition
and nothing new.

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K.

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[Jamie Shedden]

Hello Fouro

Sorry I am not a regular on this site, and only see you post now.
I am an avid follower of Waverley, and life time member of PSPS and Waverley Excursions.
As previously mentioned I am same age as Waverley, albeit I was launched a few months before her, so you know my age!
Regarding the Arran incident, whether she failed to carry out an astern movement, is not for us to judge, and feel sure the results of the investigation will revealed soon.

As a youngster growing up on Bute, paddle steamers and, indeed, turbines, were the only way to travel before the motor vessels were introduced in 1953, the Maids, and the first of the car ferries in 1954 - the ABC's. I used to cycle to Kilchattan Bay, the Millport steamer used to call in there, but I would abandon my bike and hike to Garroch Head Lighthouse, to watch the ocean liners of all shapes and sizes, heading up the Firth towards the River Clyde. One of my favourites was the three funnelled Canadian Pacific liner Empress of Scotland. I used to dream of working on her one day, but sadly she was withdrawn from service in 1958, when I was only 12 . It was to be another 9 years before I joined my first ship to sea, Shaw Savill's immigrant liner, Southern Cross.

Cheers Jamie ( a true Brandane) Auckland NZ