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7th September 2020, 06:33 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
All the problems with livestock carriers seems to have started after DoT surveyors stopped carrying our inspections on every voyage. When I joined DoT in early 80's it would take 2 surveyors one deck,one engineer sometimes over a day to inspect the vessel. All pens were checked to see that it was marked as to max no of animals it could hold and dimensions, ventilation was checked in all spaces and the outurn from previous voyage checked. If more than about 10 animals had died on voyage, an investigation was carried out and report submitted as to reasons for fatalities. It was quite common to use a flow meter to check the ventilation. If vessel did not pass inspection, defect list was issued and vessel could not start loading until all defects had been carried out. All bureaucratic maybe, but also very effective.
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7th September 2020, 06:34 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
Back in the 60's there was a very big meat works in Brisbane.
No freezer as such but well chilled beef was loaded on to refrigerated ships, much of it went to UK.
Happy daze John in Oz.
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7th September 2020, 06:36 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
Interesting Colin, cannot thank you enough.
Keith.
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9th September 2020, 07:54 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
Apparently the same ship was held up in Australia with stability problems.
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Agree John, but the ship did sail from NZ.
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11th September 2020, 06:21 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
I recieved today part of a video of the ship obviously in trouble.
Water was pouring in close to a companionway in the main accommodation area.
The sea was begining to get heavy but not that bad from what i saw.
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11th September 2020, 06:25 AM
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i have not replied to this Thread as ( Its just me ) i feel so very sad that Animals are transported in such Bulk, hardly room to move a tail let alone a Leg. No i am dead against all this and can only say " Wish it were some of the Humans that had to endure such pain and suffering" what chance have they got, absolutely Buckleys!! Sorry but thats how i feel!
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12th September 2020, 05:47 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
The transportation of animals in this fashion is worse than the transportation of crims coming to Oz way back in the 1800's.
Worse still the treatment they then receive the other end, slaughtered in a most barbaric manner.
NZ did stop the process for some time and still sold chilled meat, but now back on it again, sadly.
On other note, from our TV news it was reported the life boat was found but in such condition that experts say it was most likely washed over the side and there is no evidence any one had been in it.
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12th September 2020, 08:29 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
In his book 'The Lord God made them all', James Herriot describes his 1961 journey on a Danish vessel named 'Iris Clausen' as a veterinary attendant of live cargo -- 383 pedigree Romney Marsh and Lincoln sheep -- going from Hull, Britain to Klaipeda, Russia.
Some info at: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-c...82149291822839
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12th September 2020, 10:47 AM
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Re: Cattle ships
When I was on the Saudi to Western Australia run with oil, we didnt need a chart, we just followed the trail of dead sheep floating in the sea.
The survivors going to a worse death as halal.
Back in the 60's there was a very big meat works in Brisbane.
No freezer as such but well chilled beef was loaded on to refrigerated ships, much of it went to UK. HD John
Hi John
it was Borthwicks, on the Brisbane River.
Behind it were the stockyards with up to 15,000 head of cattle waiting for slaughter. We would load there on the Blue Star ships for UK and continent.
We went in to see the slaughter, not nice at all.
They were put in a box a man stood on top, hits the animal on the head with a hammer, one side of box falls down, the cow falls down kicking in pain, a lad throws chains around its back legs, hoists it up and sent along to another man who cuts its from groin to its chin, all its insides fall out and cut off, along the rail to the skinner who cuts and peels its skin off and then its head and legs and so on.
That night we having been in the pub, came back and released hundreds of cows and chased them away from the stock yards.,
The Police were on board next day trying to find who did it.
At least the cows got to live another day.
I could not eat meat for a long time after.
It seemed a cruel way to dispatch them.
I believe the Halal way is far worse
Brian
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12th September 2020, 03:24 PM
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Re: Cattle ships
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If you think that was bad, then you would not want to see the one in Lagos.
Tied up right alongside for a few days discharging bitumen we could see right into the yard which was only a few yards away; absolutely depraved procedure.
On a lighter not, they held a disco in there one night ???
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