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    Charter parties ..took 3 forms ; The Voyage Charter, The Time Charter ,and the Demise, or, Bare boat charter. A charter party was an agreement between a merchant or charterer and a shipowner to carry the formers goods . The term is derived from the Latin “ carat partita “ which means divided document . It comes from the ancient practice of writing out the terms of the document in duplicate on each side of a parchment , and then providing each party with a copy by tearing it down the middle. After agreeing a freight rate , the vessel came on hire.This was and is still known as a Voyage Charter. Sometimes under different terms the , the vessel could be engaged in a Time Charter , when payment was usually paid by the month, or on a round voyage basis, when the owner was remunerated on a time basis, for the duration of a particular voyage.; in all instances the charterer directing where the ship loaded or discharged between certain global limits
    In a Denise or Bare boat charter , the responsibility of maintaining the ship and paying all charges devolve entirely on the Charterer , as if he were the owner.
    That is the definition from a book , however it was always the clauses in the charter party of whatever type that one had to be aware of as to lay days , demurrage , weather working days , strike clauses and acts of war , that one had to be aware of , and the masters copy was always kept handy for perusal.
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    John, that would go back well in time, to the time of sailors such as Drake and Raleigh such were considered to be merchant traders.
    Though both did at times according to accounts commit acts which would now be considered to be piracy.
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    They were what is called Privateers , it was legal piracy similar I suppose to slavery and the fuss it is causing today.
    A privateer held the Monarchs permission to prey on the King/Queens enemies and Part of the booty went to the Realm , similar to today’s taxation I suppose. Cheers JS
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    The skull and crossbones is not a figment of some sea robbers imagination .It is a symbol used long before Treasure island and Robert Louis Stevenson’s imagination . It was a. Universal symbol of mortality during the time of the Pharaohs. JS.
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    J.S.
    Those clauses in charter parties could also include guaranteed speed, fuel consumption, the requirement to use an ocean weather routeing service, crew lashing and securing etc but one item that always seemed to be left blank or blacked out was the daily/monthly rate the owner was receiving.
    Then there are contracts of affreightment where the ship owner agrees to carry a certain quantity of a commodity in a certain period of time between designated ports, these again can and do contain various clauses but again the ships copy always had the freight rate missing. If you were clever and had the access to them it could be possible on crude oil tankers to figure out how much the owner was receiving if the world scale was mentioned in the charter party or if the the bulk cargo trade, iron ore,coal etc. The Baltic dry cargo index could give you the rate.
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    That’s why I say one had to be familiar with all the extra clauses . As to the frieight rates a good idea was usually found in Lloyd’s list. As regards specialised ships. In the oil and gas industry their daily rates were given in local papers and depending on BHP of an anchor. Handler could vary between 3000 and. 10000 pounds daily in the 80s .The ship I spent 4 years on chartered by the MOD was on 10,000 pounds a day on practically a bare boat. Charter, which meant all fuel and renewing of gear was paid by them , a mooring wire was over a mile long of 3 inch wire so you can imagine the cost of replacement for 4 of them which could be at fairly short periods. The same as the Bisco charters which were similar and were government charters that was why the overtime was so good. The owners weren’t paying for it. Although they didn’t like setting a bench mark for when the charter rates weren’t so lucrative. Nothing was ever mentioned about all the foreign merchant ships and their rates who were involved in the Falklands war. Cheers JS..

    I take the old fashioned view that money earned in a country should be spent in that country , and to have. So many foreign flagged ships on high rates and that money going outside the realms of the country paying it, is false economy , and this is solely due to the lack of British Shipping. The same is liable to happen in any conflicts of the future , and some if not most foreign shipping may not be available as may be against their interests,.JS
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    My first ships were the Port Jackson and Port Townsville. Though only having accommodations for twelve bloods, they were classified as cargo-passengers.

    Though 6 month and 4 month trips respectively, they were good trips, good crew, accommodations and fun trips as and you knew roughly how long you were going to be away, what ports you'd visit.

    Next came the La Cumbre, tricked by the Pool in London and Burries Marks to supposedly joining the ship in Rotterdam for a Home Trade run, only to find out the articles were Deep Sea, But "only" one trip to Quebec and back to London for an overall, Yeah.

    The La Cumbre was every thing the Port boats weren't. I was away for almost eleven miserable months on that TRAMP. It would have been fun on the Port Boats not this rust bucket. It killed me for Cargo or Tramps which ever you want to call them. I wanted a BUS. I wanted to know how long, and what hour of the day we would be docking back in the UK. If it was good I'd be back, If it wasn't I'd try another passenger liner company.

    I signed on with Union-Castle Passenger ships and enjoyed the almost three years I sailed with them. Learnt a trade (cooking), great crews, and Tied up on tide and time to the day and the hour.

    The big ships for me. Rodney
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    A few historical facts taken from the history of the Brish Tramp .
    Tramps first sailed the Mediterranean about 450 BC. They were small sailing ships with Greek captains . Their home port was Marseilles .
    In the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, sailing ships used to tramp out of British ports.
    In 1788 , the first successful paddle steamer was constructed on Loch Dalswinton, Scotland. But another 50 years were to pass before steamships were to cross the Atlantic entirely under their own power.
    The screw propellor was first used in 1839.
    The change from sail to steam found a shortage of masters mates to man the steamers,
    From the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869 , there was an increased demand for steamers , for it reduced the voyage via Cape of Good Hope to the Far East by 3600 miles.
    The term tramp as applied to ships came about by the change from sail. to steam.
    Despite the improvement of these vessels over the years the name has stuck.
    These ships increasingly became the backbone of the British Merchant Navy , and from 1870 to 1910 50% of the fleet were tramp steamers.
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    Introduction of the Motor Tramp.
    The heavy oil engine was invented in the 1890s by Dr. Rudolph Diesel a French citizen of German descent , born in 1858. Who gave the engine his name.The earliest motorships were two Russian tankers operating in the Caspian Sea.
    In 1911 , Barclay Curle launched and engined the twin screwed Jutlandia , the first built in the UK of any note.
    The Selandia a sistership built in Sweden arrived in London on her maiden voyage and was visited by Sir Winston Churchill , who was then first sea Lord of the Admiralty. He was so impressed that he requested various Admiralty officials to join the vessel for the trip to Antwerp.
    The Jutlandia her sistership broke away from tradition and had no funnels , merely exhausts, and her 11 derricks were served by electric winches. Just a few paragraphs from reams of info. Researched into. There are 514 pages of. Information of British tramps alone , and to see the shipping alone In This one aspect of the industry alone gives one pause to say whatever happened to it all. There were over 600 tramp ship company’s alone at one time, today will be lucky if there are 6.
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    Some you may of heard of. A B C only , hundreds more.
    Company. Damaged or sunk war years 39/45
    Alexander David and sons. 5
    Ambrose Davies and Mathew. 5
    Anning Bros. 1
    B&S Shipping. 9
    Barr Crombie & Co. 4
    Bespian Steamship. 8
    Billmeir. 4
    Bolton Steamship. 4
    Boating. 3
    Bright Navigation 2
    Buries Mark. 3
    Campbell & son. 2
    Campbell Mungo. 10
    Capper Alexander 14
    Carrick F & Co. 3
    Cereal Trade Shipping. 2
    Chapman & son. 17
    Charlton McCallum. 4
    Chellow Navigation. 10
    Clark & Service 2
    Claymore Shipping. 2
    Cocker line 5
    Common Bros. 11
    Connell and Grace 1
    Constantine. 9
    Continental transit. 1
    Cories of Cardiff. 3
    Cory & Strickland 6
    Counties ship management 13
    Cravos, Charles & co. 1
    Crawford & Co. 3
    Crest Shipping 11
    Crosby & Son 3.

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