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26th June 2020, 10:57 AM
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Re: The British Trampship
Introduction of Ore Carriers - 1952.
In 1952 the Uk still had the greatest shipbuilding and marine engineering output in the world. The greatest problem was the shortage of steel.With facilities and output able to achieve 1,750,000 GRTs in 1952.so the ore carrier appeared on the scene and the British Iron and Steel Corporation also came into being as to building suitable vessels for the import of ore . Various company’s took on building these ships which were more or less guaranteed 15 year bare boat charters.
The main trampship owners who built these vessels were ...
Bolton Steamship
C.T. Bowrings
Denholms
Souters
Common Bros.
Dalgliesh
Mungo Campbell
The vessels came into service mainly in 1956.
Built in two sizes for the suitability of various ports in the UK which had draft and lock restrictions,
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27th June 2020, 12:45 AM
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Hi John.
The ships with engines might have baffled the U-boats could work out their speed.
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27th June 2020, 01:13 AM
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Hi John.
A few numbers from the war.
some of the RN ships sunk.
Destroyers 139, 23 by mines, 50 by aircraft, 35 by U.boat, 20 by surface Craft.
M.T.Bs 115, 18 " " 9 " " 21 " " "
Trawlers 251, 79 " " 71 " " 18 " " 20 "" "" These I think were probably mine sweeping
Landing barge losses 1,308, total Naval ship losses 1,503.
Merchant seamen + all Nationalities in British ships chartered to the British Govt from the outbreak of the war to the 31st Aug 1945
In Merchant ships 29,180
In fishing Vessels 814 Total number of ships sunk 4,786 Total number of seamen killed 29,994
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27th June 2020, 02:05 AM
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Re: The British Trampship
#33 Thanks for the info.Des. Now if anyone asks me I can at least give some answer. Always feel stupid when can’t give some sort of answer. I sailed with a 69 year old mate in 1988 who had sailed out of Fleetwood fishing most of his life. During the war years he was recruited into the minesweepers. If he is still alive would be over 100 .However he must have thought he was back in hell on earth in another 9 days time 32 years ago. As was pulled out of his off watch period to face probably what was a nightmare from the past with explosions going off all around him and pieces of metal and bodies flying around which would have taken time for his mind to adjust to it . All those you have listed as killed , there will also be many survivors who would of had two choices for the rest of their lives , to remember or to try to forget. Most will now be dead , so their problems will be solved. in 9 days time it will be 32 years , since Old Wally and others went through their own nightmare once again for Wally and one of the crew who was a Falklands vet. Their faces to me are still as clear as they were 32 years ago. So the forgetting part doesn’t always work. Cheers JS
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27th June 2020, 02:20 AM
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#32.. The only things that hopefully would have baffled the U- Boats would have been the Zig-Zag , that when they fired on your zig you were then on your Zag.. most trampship were built for 10 knots ship if you got 8 You were lucky . Can imagine the consternation of 16 knot ships being reduced to the slowest in the convoy which could be even much less. Cheers JS.
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27th June 2020, 09:40 AM
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This is a small video of the Ionian in 1940, some real memories, even though a bit before my time, the deck work, rigging the Jumbo etc, cargo work, nothing much had changed. ```interesting war ships shown as well, and i think one of the ships was the Barham ?, who had a terrible end. but for us oldies maybe bring back the old days, kt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3WETpSL_EM
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28th June 2020, 10:07 AM
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Crew shortages in the mid 1930s set a definite limit on the expansion of British Shipping on tramps.After 1935 .
As increased Engineers and apprentices were required by the shipyards . So acute was this that in 1938 an alternative method of training was considered by the Shipowners.To encourage engineers to stay at sea. It was not until 1951 that a scheme to serve their time at sea was sanctioned by the M.O.T. Previously all had served their time ashore. JWS.
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30th June 2020, 03:45 AM
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PostWar Doxford Ships..As a result of demand the first of 3 ships were built for Panamanian interests The AGHIA MARINA was the first all welded ship built by Doxfords , which resulted in the saving of some 350 tons of steel in construction. It was also estimated that less 600 BHP was required to propel the vessel at the same comparable riveted ship and her daily fuel consumption would be about 2.5 tons less. This first ship was built in 1954.
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22nd February 2022, 05:56 AM
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Some may know the names of these defunct Companies Some may not , just one company from each letter of the Alphabet.
A. Argonaut Navigation Co. Ltd.
B. Blohm and Voss A.G.
C. Chellew Navigation Co. Ltd.
D. Douglas and Ramsey
E. Esk Shipping Company Ltd.
F. French W. And C . Ltd.
G. Grenehurst Shipping Co. Ltd.
H. Haverton Shipping Co. Ltd.
I. Irvines S.B.and D.D. Co.
J. James R.I.
K. Kassos Steam Navigation Co.Ltd.
L. Larrinaga Steamship Co. Ltd.
M. Medomsley Steamshipping Co. Ltd.
N. Nisbet ,George and Co.
O. Oregon Steamship Co.
P. Pandelis Shipping Co. Ltd.
Q. Quebec Steamship Lines Ltd.
R. Rio Cape Line Ltd.
S. Short. bros. Ltd.
T. Temple S.S. Co. Ltd.
U. United Baltic Corp. Ltd.
V. Vergocean Steamship Co. Ltd.
W. Winchester Shipping Co. Ltd.
Anyone can fill in X. Y.. and Z.???
JS
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22nd February 2022, 11:20 AM
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Those BISCO chartered vessels were built in two different sizes, one to fit the locks in Port Talbot and the other to fit the lock at Eastham on the Manchester ship canal in order that they could go up to irlam to discharge.
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