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26th July 2019, 09:11 AM
#41
Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
That is right KT.
Cunard flagged out to HAMILTON, BERMUDA FLAG. around 2011. previously registered in Southampton, UK Flag.
Said weddings on ships were a multi million pound business.
two years later they still had NO Weddings.
Cheers
Brian.
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26th July 2019, 01:49 PM
#42
Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
Originally Posted by
Captain Kong
That is right KT.
Cunard flagged out to HAMILTON, BERMUDA FLAG. around 2011. previously registered in Southampton, UK Flag.
Said weddings on ships were a multi million pound business.
two years later they still had NO Weddings.
Cheers
Brian.
What passes for "Cunard" and "P&O" these days is of course Carnival UK, in turn owned by Carnival Corp based in Miami and the names are all that's left of those two companies.
When Carnival skinned out from the UK flag in 2011 they made a lot of noise about weddings being the reason, but as some members here note that was merely a PR smokescreen to hide the truth and sadly their PR efforts were effective.
The Equality Act had been introduced in 2010 and it stated that all crew on a UK flag ship should be paid UK minimum wage when serving onboard. The Chamber of Shipping was suitably horrified at having to pay fair wages and managed to gain an exemption for 1 year, this then gave various companies time to decide what to do. Carnival reflagged to Bermuda at the back end of 2011 whilst the likes of P&O Ferries (Owned by Dubai) reflagged most of their ships to the Bahamas leaving only a handful under UK flag which in the past few months have moved to Cyprus due to the Brexit shambles.
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26th July 2019, 02:27 PM
#43
Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
Cunard always had a good catering crew of Filipinos, on QE2 and QM2, I cruised around on the world cruises on both and for a few years, they were excellent, then when they flagged out to Bermuda they got rid of the Filipinos and hired Eastern Europeans for their Catering Staff, , who were bleddy awful on the new QE, They were aggressive, unhelpful, unhygienic, etc.
I stopped sailing with Cunard after that world cruise in 2012
I now sail on Holland America ships. every year, they are excellent, with Filipinos and Indonesians, who I found to be excellent, I have booked again with them next March. I have over 350 days cruising with H.A.L.
Never sail Cunard again. and I used to work for them in the 50s.
Brian
Last edited by Captain Kong; 26th July 2019 at 02:30 PM.
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27th July 2019, 06:43 AM
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Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
Originally Posted by
Keith Tindell
John in Oz, i think you will find that Cunard are registered in Bermuda, they flagged out a few years ago, on the pretence that they could not carry out weddings while registered in UK. Shortly afterwards Kong did a cruise with them i think, and asked the master how many weddings were carried out afterwards, answer he got was none, kt
Keith you are correct, it is some of Princess registered in UK, not Cunard.
But for all the different registrations and the owner ship of many companies by the one, Carnival, wages and conditions are not the same or equal across all the companies.
One winger I have met on a couple of cruises went from P&O to Princess, told me conditions and rates of pay on Princess are streets ahead of P&O Australia. Not sure how P&O UK go as they are another separate company.
Last Christmas on cruise to NZ on the Golden Princess there was a wedding that took place, only one I know of.
Last edited by happy daze john in oz; 27th July 2019 at 06:44 AM.
Happy daze John in Oz.
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27th July 2019, 09:36 AM
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Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
now the brains of the country is telling us our navy is a joke who's fault is that? jp
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27th July 2019, 11:29 AM
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Re: This should liven things up in the Gulf
This is interesting about the Grace1, despite having Panama on its stern it's registry was removed mid voyage.
Rgds
J.A.
https://gcaptain.com/flags-of-inconv...eid=3b737aa316
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