ref 68 John, I was also born war time, dimly remember the doodle bugs, and being flung under the stairs a bit quick, When i went to sea in 1958, a large amount of the guys were war service MN, and yet spoke very little about their experiences most were heavy drinkers, understandable. The one i always remember was Tommy O,driscoll, a proper old scouser, brilliant when we were at sea, but mostly unconscious as soon as we hit port. When tanked up he would pull his shirt up, to show a big scar across his chest, which had removed one tit, and used to say, the bloody Germans have got the other one. He had been awarded the croix de gurre (spelling) for downing a German fighter with a machine gun on a mine sweeping vessel, kt