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    Default Barry Docks, and Cardiff, the tramp steamer capital of the world.

    Last night whillst delving through the net / super highway / web, came across the following on an arty item: did not think saving the link was worth it, but later thought I would share it:

    Yet by the 1860s such art was in retreat before the advance of photography and the ease with which its images could be multiplied – just as the brigs and schooners and the little slate ports were yielding to the vast mechanics of the Cambrian Coal Combine, the Taff Vale Railway, Barry Docks, and Cardiff, the tramp steamer capital of the world.

    Barry for some the Gateway to the World, Cardiff famed for much, including "Tiger Bay" etc and awarded the title of the Tramp Steamer Capital of the World. If a picture paints a thousand words. K.
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    Question Great days for some

    Hi Keith my butty ,, great days for all of south wales for commuities , trade, jobs' the real boom times' Cardiff and Barry were the top in them days ,we had the worlds riches' man in South Wales' But it was just a back water farming place, before King Coal and steel. very happy days for ship owners' mine and steel barons' But thats all gone now?

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    Default well known outfit by all taffs of the day

    tramp steamer Llanberis approaching cardiff docks in the smmer of 1948.shipowners evan thomas radcliff@co.named after the village at the foot of snowdon, she was one of many vessels built for the radcliff fleet, that bore welsh place names beginning with Llan. or 'church'.for me these were real ships, a bit like real cargo boats, were deck hands were tested and had to know your stuff to work them.regards all my taff friends terry.
    Last edited by Red Lead Ted; 28th July 2009 at 08:49 PM.
    {terry scouse}

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    WILL REPLY MORE FULLY TOMORROW. K

    Meanwhile if iinterested in Barry:

    Merthyr Dyfan Cemetery, Barry.

    First World War Graves & Memorials

    http://www.barrytowncouncil.gov.uk/L...3E%3d&tabid=76

    Second World War Merchant Navy Graves & Memorials

    http://www.barrytowncouncil.gov.uk/L...6Y%3d&tabid=76

    And: http://www.barrymerchantseamen.org.uk

    K.
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    Default Tiger Bay and all that.....

    "Quinquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir,
    Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine,
    With a cargo of ivory,
    And apes and peacocks,
    Sandalwood, cedarwood, and sweet white wine.

    Stately Spanish galleon coming from the Isthmus,
    Dipping through the Tropics by the palm-green shores,
    With a cargo of diamonds,
    Emeralds, amythysts,
    Topazes, and cinnamon, and gold moidores.

    Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack,
    Butting through the Channel in the mad March days,
    With a cargo of Tyne coal,
    Road-rails, pig-lead,
    Firewood, iron-ware, and cheap tin trays"

    Cargoes
    by John Masefield (1878 - 1967)

    This poem, probably inspired by Poet Laureate Masefield's maiden voyage as a seaman from Cardiff Bay is so evocative of the era when Tiger Bay as Cardiff Bay was known in the 19th Century was one of the World's most important industrial ports fuelling a burgeoning trade in coal and iron.

    Such was Cardiff Bay's pre-eminent position at the height of the Industrial Revolution that the World's 1st £1M cheque was signed at the Coal Exchange, now a popular club venue...

    Towards the latter end of last century the docks area had fallen on hard times, but now is rising Phoenix-like from the ashes now that it has been chosen as the future site of the Welsh National Assembly and the Welsh National Opera.

    It is an exciting time for the Bay!

    Nowadays the regeneration of Cardiff Bay is happening at a terrific pace with many new developments springing up all the time after the construction of the Cardiff Bay Barrage.

    Cardiff Bay, which has a whole host of attractions including Techniquest - an excellent hands-on science museum and the lovely waterfront developments including Mermaid Quay with its many shops, bars and restaurants.

    Not forgetting Doctor Who etc.

    The whole waterfront is redolent with maritime history and makes for an excellent walk with many points of interest to stop at along the way such as the Norwegian Church, the Pierhead Building and the Lighthouse Ship, as well as a very interesting Information Centre which regularly houses exhibitions.

    K.
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    Thumbs up Barry and Cardiff

    Hi Red lead Ted, Hi Keith my butty, another great post ! !! Keith you should be working for the Welsh tourist board, on top money, for all your work telling everyone what a great place Barry and Cardiff and South Wales is you do a much better job than them.

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    Default Cardifff and Barry Docks

    The Welsh iron industry started in the mid 1700's around Merthyr and by the mid 1800's Dowlairs was the biggest ironworks in the world. Everything needed to make iron was in the district. Coking coal mined, ironstone mined, steam coal mined (for power), limestone quarried, and water most certainly fell from the heavens. The products of iron were taken by rail as required.
    The steam coal was found to Admiralty Grade dry steam coal suitable for marine boilers and the market built up massively, development came in the local ports and the large export market developed.
    Around late 1800's developments in steel production meant that the Welsh mined ironstone was not the best for high quality steel production and the Welsh steelworks were forced to import iron ore. Between 1870 and 1914 approximately 80% of iron ore used in Britain came from Spain and was high quality. It came to the Welsh ports.
    Around the same time 1890's the Dowlairs Company opened the giant East Moors steelworks in Cardiff which vastly increased the Spanish imports and built up Cardiff as a port. It lasted eighty years. It used ore from other sources as well as Spain.
    It was not only tramp steamers it was a huge port and the originator of modern day bulk carrier which of course in 1891 came to East Moors. Difficult to find a bulk carrier that age. They fall apart!!!
    The same thing happened all along the coast as steel production built up. At Newport Etc. I dont want to bore everybody!!!

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    Hi All.
    I have an old picture of Cardiff Docks, i'ts where I joined my first ship the Trevose in dry dock. I will try if my attachment system works to post it here
    Cheers Des

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    EVAN THOMAS, RADCLIFFE & CO.LTD.

    Evan Thomas was born at Aberporth, Cardiganshire in 1832, the son of Hezekiah Thomas. He went to sea from Cardiff and obtained his Master Mariner's certificate. After serving at sea for some years he set up in business in 1881 as a shipowner in partnership with Henry Radcliffe, a shipping clerk with J.H.Anning of Cardiff. Radcliffe had been born at Merthyr Tydfil, along with his brothers Daniel and Charles Radcliffe (see Charkes Radcliffe & Co.).

    Evan Thomas, Radcliffe & Co started with the ship Gwenllian Thomas in 1881 and the business flourished to such an extent that in 1884 Evan Thomas gave up going to sea to concentrate on the business. By the time Evan Thomas died in 1891 the company had 15 ships. After the death of Evan Thomas, Henry Radcliffe's brother Daniel became more involved with the firm and by 1900 they had increased the fleet to 24.

    A great deal of the financial support for the company had been drawn from investors in mid and west Wales, and likewise, many of the company's seamen were also from that area, particularly from Cardiganshire, some eventually going into business in Cardiff shipping themselves.

    By the start of the First World War the company owned 28 ships, losing 20 of them in the hostilities. War compensation allowed them to obtain new ships in the late 1920s and by 1930 the company was back up to 16 ships. Eleven ships were lost in the Second World War and by the end of the war only five company ships remained. The size of the fleet remained at five for many years therafter but by 1981 all ships ha been sold. An attempt was made to revive the company in the coasting trade in 1982 but in 1983 its two coasters were sold and the company ceased.

    From: http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/SHIPCO.html

    Llan ships amongst others at:

    SHIPPING COMPANY FLEET LISTS

    EVAN THOMAS RADCLIFFE, CARDIFF

    http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/ETR.html
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    Hi Keith.
    Thanks for those sites , ive had a quick look and they are very interesting. will spend more time on them later.
    As an add on, i was sent to join the Llantrisant in Baileys drydock late 60s, she looked a nice ship . That was until we went aboard, she had just been fumagated and her accomodation was still alive with BUGs and cockroaches. some areas the decks were inches thick, we all walked back down the gangway with the unions blessing.
    Geoff
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