Think of this Mr. Salmond and all those Yes voters

[John Arton]

In 1707 the act of union joined the English and Scottish parliaments together.
At this time Scotland was a bankrupt country and England wrote off all its debts.
Why
Well some years previously Scotland had become a bit jealous of Its wealthy Southern neighbour and its growing Empire and so decided it too needed an Empire. So the Scottish parliament put up a fortune to equip a fleet of ships that were to sail to the Caribbean and take over the Isthmus of Panama and make it into a Scottish territory. They fitted out the ships with hundreds and hundreds of wigs, tweed cloaks, bonnets etc. all those things that you need to keep yourself warm in a Scottish winter but totally inappropriate for a tropical clime.
The expedition was an absolute disaster and about 4 years later the remnants of the fleet returned to Leith having lost most of its personnel. This disaster resulted in the loss of the fortunes of most of the Scottish Bankers etc., throwing the country into near bankruptcy, it being saved only by England writing off all its debt upon the signing of the Union.
Now some 400 odd years later Mr. Salmond, should he win his yes vote, has said he will renege on Scotland's portion of the National debt, leaving England, Wales and N. Ireland to bear the all the National Debt, a large portion of which was built up bailing out Scotlands Banks amongst other items such as health and social welfare and education.
Nice of them isn't it.
rgds
JA

[Fouro]

In March 1941 German bombers blitzed Glasgow. In two nights of air raids, 439 planes of Hitler's Luftwaffe flew to the limits of their fuel to drop over 500 tons of high explosive and nearly 2,500 incendiary bombs on the city. Such was the courage of Glasgow's citizens that the dead are honoured in Scotland's National War Memorial. Upwards of 200 bombers took part in the Clydeside offensive on the night of Thursday 13th March. The first bombs fell upon Clydebank at about half past nine resulting in 528 citizens being killed. The raids were an attempt to knock out the engineering shops and shipyards that had done much to the Great War to put paid to Germany's hegemonic hopes. The river Clyde during the Second World War became Britain's main port. In the course of war 52,000,000 tons of munitions and goods were landed on the river's banks. Over 2,000,000 servicemen left its ports and when the United States entered the war in 1941 the Gareloch was the landing port of much of America's Army and equipment.
In May 1941 duringWW2, Arthur Donaldson a leading SNP member a the time and later SNP leader from1960-1969 was arrested by police as his intensions were to set up a puppet government in the event o a Nazi invasion. According to a M15 file on Donaldson released in November 2005, he was arrested because the M15 believed him to be a Nazi Sympathiser and that he hoped tp become part of a puppet government setup by the Nazis after they occupied Britain. Donaldson gave praise to Germany saying England would be completely crushed by the early spring, the government would leave the country and England's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on Germany. SNP in my book stands for Scottish Nazi Party and being a proud Scot I wouldn't pee on any of them if they were on fire. They are nothing but a bunch of upstarts and jokers.

FOURO

[vic mcclymont]

I have always said it's about one man and his ego trip. People think he is a great debater, not me, he is an arrogant, ignorant individual. I believe he is doing more harm than good.

[vic mcclymont]

Salmond has said he will renege on Scotland share of the debts if not allowed to use the £. UK gold reserves stand at £150b, will he walk away from that?

[robpage]

Whilst I agree entirely with Vic on this one , What Alec Salmond is good at is appealing to the spirit of the thistle and the heather of the folks who have the dream of walking the Highlands and of the Victory at Bannockburn , Mel Gibson the famous scotsman who played Brave heart , Sean Connery who lives in Ley Quay Barbados and saves £20,000,000 in taxes , but is a "true Scot " , King Alec has them dancing to his fife and drum , and his propaganda tugs the heartstrings , he is good at appealing to the masses .



But there again so was Himmler

[Fouro]

Re Number One-
The Scottish company survived the disaster at Darien. Trade continued on a limited scale with Africa and the Far East. The company's deficit was £232,884 by the year 1706 and its shareholders scattered throughout the length and breadth of Scotland had nothing to show for their investment. The disaster fed national disillusionment. The seeds of Jacobitism were sown. Many now saw the restoration of the Stewarts as the only way to right the wrongs of William of Orange's reign. The English court, fearful of the Scots desire for independence, realized the northern kingdom would have to brought firmly and forever under control, and William expressed the opinion that a Union of Parliaments would be for the best. A union of the two nations, which the parliaments of neither side wanted, was seen as the only solution. The Act of Union took place in 1707.

FOURO.

[robpage]

WEll Fouro the way I see it is James VI and I was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death . I see the unification as the United Kingdom , Horlick's to parliament

[happy daze john in oz]

The head of the major compamies who advocate a No vote was interviwed on TV here in Oz. Not sure if he was actualy here or just a 'cross; to speak with him. But he spoke total sence.

On paper there appears to be little benift for a Yes vote, far more to lose than the gain from a No vote.


But as usual with all these things the king oif spin will win the day, who can sell the best argument, but for me it must be head over heart to get the best.

[Fouro]

The Acts of Union were a pair of Parliamentary Acts passed in 1706 and 1707 by the Parliaments of England and Scotland to put into effect the terms of the Treaty of Union which had been negotiated between the two countries. The Acts joined the Kingdoms of England and Scotland into a single Kingdom of Great Britain with one constitutional monarch. James1st of England and 6th of Scotland was such a monarch.

FOURO.

[john sutton]

you are of course assuming that mr salmond is capable of thought