Dominion Monarch

Come out of it. We know for a few years there maybe a lot of discomfort. At the end of the day however you will still have your national rights and make your own laws and live by them. Unions seldom work in the long run there are plenty examples of this in normal working life. All the European Union is a big fat bunch of beaurocrats living off the fat of the countries who are members. Until you get a leader who has the guts to stand up and be counted I reckon the country as a sovereign nation will slowly decline. The uk will never be the same country again, it has been let down time and time again by third rate governments of both persuasions. Cheers John Sabourn

John I think you may be right there. I recall the move into Europe I think with Heath at the helm. But I do not recall a vote by the people on it,all done by the gov of the day. But as Alf says a lot of the colonies had to struggle for some time to establish new markets. I wrote an article on this last year, still there somewhere under the heading Then and Now.

This is an informative link John United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was in Vancouver loading Sulphur for Shanghai. I also believe the common market was just that a common market and is what the ordinary citizen saw. Not what now entails all orders regarding the laws and other things coming from Brussels and a bunch of no hopers and ex politicans esconsed in jobs for life making laws for others to follow. It is not what the public expected and are certainly not responsible for. Edward Heath as a P.M. to me would have been better off sticking with his conductors baton and trying to improve his musical talents, as for H. Wilson how phoney can you get. If Brown wasn't prone to always putting his foot in it would have made a slightly better job of it. Tell me one decent government since the war, there has been something lacking in all of them, I would call it in a lot of cases not doing the job they are paid to do. They all seem to have their own personal objectives to attain in the hope of being remembered in History, which they certainly will be in a lot of cases. Cheers John Sabourn

I cannot remember ,how I voted , I think for it , but I believed that Harold Wilson and the Labour Party were anti Europe at time and slung the referendum in as an election promise , 65% in favour on a 65% turn out is pretty positive .

Among the many tales I have heard re the Dominion Monarch many depend mostly upon the character of the story teller. Some so called "hard cases", loved her as it was the only ship that would tolerate their behaviour and ask them back. One unverified yarns I heard concerns the loss of a diesel locomotive she was carrying as deck cargo. On a dark and stormy night the cables snugging the loco to the deck were mysteriously released and over it went taking the deck rails with it. As I say unverified as to whether or not it happened at all.
I was in New Plymouth in the early 60's and saw her on her last voyage trailing the long pennant. Sad sight even for a ship which according to some should have flown the Jolly Roger.

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.............. They all seem to have their own personal objectives to attain in the hope of being remembered in History, which they certainly will be in a lot of cases. Cheers John Sabourn

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Most politicians are remembered for the bad things not any good hey may have done, which in most cases is very little.

This thread has wandered off topic a few times so I will throw my hat into the ring regarding the European Union.
Heath sold us down the river with his referendum. What as a country we were asked to vote on was for a trading area where goods could be moved easily between countries as well as people.
When Heath signed up to Europe he knew that the initial member states already had the vision of a federation of European states along the lines that the E.E.C. has morphed into over the years. He chickened out of telling the U.K. people the true nature of what they were signing up to in the referendum so most of us thought it was all about trade and possibly defence, nothing else.
As everyone here says never trust a politician who says this is going to be good for you, it is only be going to be good for them, not the average Joe in the street.
As for Wilson, do not get me started on him. Once met him at a party one of my relations held and what a bersstard he was. Real slimy git. When I was introduced to him and was told that I was a seafarer he looked at me like a piece of dog dirt on his shoe and refused to shake my proffered hand and to cap it all he drank like a fish. Slimiest politician I ever met of any persuasion.
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JA

Who travelled up with him on the train from London, who met him in the buffet car. The Yorkshire accent was for camouflage and to point to his supposedly working class background. Was told he spoke with a definite and so called cultured accent. As said he was a phoney. John Sabourn.

Heath did not hold a referendum Wilson did see :- United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia