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    One of the huge problems you get Terry is when you have a wheelchair user who needed a disabled space so they can get the car doors fully open to get the wheelchair round you then all of a sudden get somebody who suffers from bipolar drives into a space jumps out runs into the shop and an awful lot of the disabled people that I know get really irritated by it the problem is with bipolar is I think very few of us understanding and of course you can't issue somebody with payments and with a blue badge just for when they are at their most anxious it does cause quite a few headaches but when it comes to the actual award of p i p if you can manage over 20 m even Aided by a stick you are regarded as not qualifying this again causes a lot of headaches in the disabled community because somebody will have anxiety about walking 200m yet are really capable of walking the 20 where a wheelchair user could probably walk 20 with age and no further it's a very biased system and it has caused an awful lot of problems even if it is operated as it was meant to
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    Rob, genuine e Bipolar is a very bad symptom that few understand.
    We have a special night once a week at the local community health center for people with it.
    They can be good, they can be bad but each person shows the symptoms in a different way.
    Unless you are familiar with it you may well think they are just a bit odd.
    Medication taken regularly is the only real treatment for it.

    Many years ago they were known as manic depressives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post
    Rob, genuine e Bipolar is a very bad symptom that few understand.
    We have a special night once a week at the local community health center for people with it.
    They can be good, they can be bad but each person shows the symptoms in a different way.
    Unless you are familiar with it you may well think they are just a bit odd.
    Medication taken regularly is the only real treatment for it.

    Many years ago they were known as manic depressives.
    John, I take my 10 year old grandson who incidentally has a very different problem to bipolar, He is Autistic, To a centre where a lot of mental health people of all ages mix, One day week he loves to play pool and air hockey so I know what I am in for, for, a few hours. You have hit the nail on the head all people react to mental health in different ways. And for me his hardest time is nearly upon him his teenage years. The thing that amazes me is all these different young and old people with mental health understand and except each other much better than any other group of people. There is definitely under funding in mental health care in the U.K. And for me the only people qualified to communicate with people with these problems are not doctors or health carers { Not that they don't help } Is a person going through the mental health problems themselves, I can and do have many intelligent conversations with my grandson because I have built up the trust he has in me over the years and instead of pushing these people away as if somehow the problem will go away which all governments are guilty of. And its about time government and the medical fraternity started treating these problems seriously. Yes his medication helps but that only settles him for a good nights sleep otherwise my Daughter would be treading the boards all night. Keep up the good work John, There should be more in society that embrace and except mental health people Regards Terry.
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    We have a grandson with high functioning autism Terry. He is 13 years old highly intelligent but lacks some social skills. Very loving and caring young boy but easily becomes distracted and sometimes unable to cope in certain situations. Our family have had some trying moments, he is aware that he is different but likes to get treated the same as others. Some of his most difficult moments are his being teated fairly. This does not always happen and then the melt downs step in. Our daughter and son-in law have had some very trying moments with him not being treated correctly by some in the education system, and fought relentlessly to make sure that he does. The only way unfortunately has been to pay for professional independent opinion and to enforce by law, making sure that they fund his needs. Even with all of this in place it still is a constant struggle for them. The funding for special needs has been cut to the bone by this government. People in general have no idea as to what is going on in a "meltdown" and some think it bad behavior or poor parenting. As you will be aware this is not always the case. It is not until you become "hands on" with people in this situation that you appreciate the difficulties being encountered. We should as a society educate ourselves on mental health issues much more, learn to have more understanding and sympathy for others less fortunate. The stigma of mental health issues needs to be removed.
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    I have a great grandson with asperger's syndrome as well as cerebral palsy , he would have been written off by the system a long time ago he's now 12 but he's got a caring mother who puts an awful lot of effort into getting him right it is quite obvious visually that he has problems with the walking and the talking from the cerebral palsy as well as the issues with the Aspergers Syndrome and I agree that these kids and as they go into Adulthood need help . Where I have the genuine difficulty in understanding and I'm not saying then I disagree is that I need the additional whitespace of a disabled parking bay due to the fact that I need to get the wheelchair along side the driver's door than me transferred to it which takes up extra room . I am often at the doctor's there is a phlebotomist working there who regularly parks in one of the two disabled spaces with a badge in the window I queried it with the nurse she said oh yes she has bipolar yet she is carrying out a job taking blood from people and she skipped in and out of the car I might be very much in the wrong but I feel that she is misusing a blue badge but I will be the first to admit I do not understand bipolar it's just that we're there regularly on a Monday and Friday and she always seems to be on a high
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    Sincere apologies Doc point taken:- We have a grandson with high functioning autism Terry. He is 13 years old highly intelligent but lacks some social skills. Very loving and caring young boy but easily becomes distracted and sometimes unable to cope in certain situations. Our family have had some trying moments, he is aware that he is different but likes to get treated the same as others. Some of his most difficult moments are his being treated fairly. This does not always happen and then the melt downs step in. Our daughter and son-in law have had some very trying moments with him not being treated correctly by some in the education system, and fought relentlessly to make sure that he does. The only way unfortunately has been to pay for professional independent opinion and to enforce by law, making sure that they fund his needs. Even with all of this in place it still is a constant struggle for them. The funding for special needs has been cut to the bone by this government. People in general have no idea as to what is going on in a "meltdown" and some think it bad behavior or poor parenting. As you will be aware this is not always the case. It is not until you become "hands on" with people in this situation that you appreciate the difficulties being encountered. We should as a society educate ourselves on mental health issues much more, learn to have more understanding and empathy for others less fortunate. The stigma of mental health issues needs to be removed.
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    I think one of the biggest problems is we don't understand mental health problems and I come from a generation that had lots of institutions dotted all over the place and they locked away people at a young age for things like down syndrome autism and lots of others and I think that now it's more integrated in the community I think the community needs to learn to understand I must admit I don't understand an awful lot about it my great grandson with his cerebral palsy and his autism which is Aspergers I find it absolutely fascinating character but I'll be perfectly honest after about an hour my brain feels like it's been fried . As a child at a junior school aged around 7 we had a nice guy called Michael who in those days was called slow in fact the teacher used to refer to him as recorded in this day and age she would have had the sack for that Michael was great he just had a total inability to function when it came to Reading writing and arithmetic he went on got a job worked all his life but was branded as a 6 year old 7 year old I have found when dealing with people who have been born or acquired disabilities along the way sometimes my patient does get stretched but if you sit there long enough I think you're normally rewarded a lot of my rehabilitation is done with people who have had strokes and they will start to tell you a story and then totally forget where they started and apologise for hours over it but you know what caused it you know why they've got it all you got to do is try and understand it and I must admit I do have difficulties with it sometimes
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    Great post Rob, entirely agree with you. It can be very difficult and wearing at times and extremely difficult to understand because the needs are so complex. I used to see a lot of patients with severe strokes, one I shall always remember was only fourteen years of age, so sad to see. Like you say they continually apologise for their lack of memory and function, but brain wise they know what they want to say but are unable to get their words out. Must be so frightening and frustrating for someone that only yesterday had a very agile mind and full life.

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    When people talk about disability’s and they talk from personal experience they are worth listening to. Civil servants and the likes who are in good health will not be up to the mark when considering their needs. Myself I have probably a different outlook, as know my health has not been getting any better and will not be entering the 100 metres in this year’s Olympic Games so to speak. My right leg is now starting to give out among other things, but at 82 I think I have had a good innings. I met another colleague two nights ago he was in a neck brace . Was almost skeletal in proportions as white as a sheet. He appeared at a meeting I was at but had to retire early. I was informed he had cancer right through his body and it was terminal and had been given a date , which he would not divulge. He is only 54 years of age. This puts into perspective that some people never really complain as such, I consider myself extremely lucky to have reached 82. And think it would be very unsavoury of me to complain when I see people like 54 years of age trying to live life right up to the bitter end and still attempt to conduct their duties. Ken your post 1 if I was not bound by a certain self imposed protocol. Autism is how I would have described one of the survivors off the P.A. He displayed a lot of the symptoms as that of a child, even though he was an adult. These things though are usually not talked about , but would certainly have clarified his actions if was proved he had had the same as a child. Going back to my colleague he was told his cancer was probably started in his back when he fell out of a tree as a kid, and went unnoticed for all those years. JS
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    Just up the road from where we live there is a very large building complex.
    Built back in the 1800's where for many years those with 'problems' were put. Society at that time had it in their mind that all such persons were mad and should be locked up to protect society in general.
    The number of young children buried there is frightening as for some reason strict records of all inmates was kept.
    It was closed back in late 80's, but a friend of ours was an advocate for some of the 'clients' there.

    She took us around and what we saw was something rom a horror movie.

    Men and women all with various mental illnesses being treated worse than you would treat a wild animal.
    Kept in groups in rooms depending on their condition, Bipolar in one, Autistic in another etc.

    One guy, deaf and dumb had been there since just after birth and was according to records at that time about 90.

    In one room a dozen or so men all wearing helmets, walls padded as they spent the day there getting violent.

    A change of gov saw the place closed and a new approach to mental health taken.
    The inmates were moved to smaller premises and houses where they could receive better treatment, sadly most died within 3 years of being moved.
    A theory was that being taken from the only place they knew destroyed them.

    Mental health of all natures is so complex that even the brightest specialists cannot give all the answers.
    The human mind is so complex that it is possible a full comprehension may never be achieved.
    All we can so as responsible citizens is try to assist in any way we can, remember there but for the grace of God go I, and hopefully assist others to understand that these people are not freaks but ordinary people who have a different way of experiencing the world we know.
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