The NHS

[dave moore]

The way people on this website have twisted my thread ,I won't be bothering you again. Disallussioned

[Captain Kong]

Dave.... ?????????
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[gray_marian]

#11, Dave, with respect, I have read this thread three times now and don't understand what direction you expected your original post to go in. As far as I can see everyone who replied gave their valued opinion on their experience. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you wanted to hear.

[j.sabourn]

#5... John you hang in there mate. A mate of mine had an anuarism in his brain about 28 years ago he walks with a stick and his whole left side is paralysed. We often go out at various times to social events, and he is the life of the party, he is about 4 years younger than me, sometimes when talking we discuss openly about his condition and he says he was expected to die at the time, but then he says they didn't know I was British so decided to go on living. Both he and his wife who he relies on a lot are quite happy with their life style and go on nearly all of the cruises described on here. He has learned to live with his life style, he recently went for his eyes done and for a couple of weeks went without glasses, then one evening had them back on, so I asked him why, his answer was he was that used to wearing he didn't feel dressed going out without them on. Before his misfortune he was 19 stone and was into professional rugby in the uk, now he is about 11 stone and I keep telling him that it is good he has got rid of all that surplas body weight. Keep on being positive, there is always someone worse off than yourself, maybe not my pal but someone else. Cheers JS

[happy daze john in oz]

Dave #1, the problem you describe is not one just of the UK. So many other first world nations have similar problems and situations of their own.

I, like you, are dumbfounded when I hear of the sums of money paid in foreign aid often to countries where dictators determine who gets the money.

But for some obscure reasons so many nations continue to look to overseas countries before their own.

But that is not the only reason for the state of national health services in many countries. With an aging population living far longer than any before govs are under enormous pressure to provide services. But to provide the service requires staff and very often this is where the problem lies. Years ago being a nurse was considered to be one of the top positions there was, highly respected and considered to be for those with special understanding of the sick and needy. The pay was never good but it was still considered to be a top profession.

The in the mid 80's govs in the west decided that the training of nurses would be transferred from hospitals to universities. This was the beginning of the problem we now face.
There are many who under the old system made first class nurses but where not achademically inclined so now would not get into uni. So now fewer enter the profession at a time where more are required. there is also a shortage of doctors and specialists remembering that it can take up to ten years from whoa to go to become even a GP.

The system now requires a major shake up if it is to survive, remembering that in the late 60's the gov had a life expectancy for most at around 72 years of age. That figure now is closer to 84 and in greater numbers.

[j.sabourn]

From what I saw and have experience from others that was one of the stupid decisions of govt. to transfer training of nurses to University from actual cadetships in a hospital to universitys. Maybe they were under the mistaken impression by doing so, it would make the career more attractive to some.-Bollix- most nurses I know it is a profession and hands on vocation that they want to do. to help others. My sister is a cadet trained nurse now in her 70"s and you should hear her go on about the alternative means of training. Somewhat similar to the training today of erstwhile seafarers where they describe their certification as degree level.-Again bollix- it is way below 2nd. mate certification of the old school. Too know this one has to have sailed with both to understand. Educational and practice wise the new ways do not stand up to the old ways of training. Cheers JS

[Ivan Cloherty]

The way people on this website have twisted my thread ,I won't be bothering you again. Disallussioned

Sorry Dave, but for most of us reading the comments in all the posts, it seems virtually all agree with you, so what is there to be disillusioned about, seems I am not the only one confused. Lots of us have our/their points of view disagreed with and we/they expect this in a free society, perhaps you can elucidate on what is upsetting you so much

[cappy]

###dave we all have views that dont always match......we see the same things from a different view ....it doesnt mean we disrespect others views .....the NHS will always be a political football .....i can only say my family have always had 5 star treatment .....yes there are problems but it is still a magnificent institution ....regards cappy

The way people on this website have twisted my thread ,I won't be bothering you again. Disallussioned

[John Pruden]

the nhs is a national treasure if the drug companies would not charge so much for their product I know they say the price will go on research for the next advance in medicines but that's where most money is spent? would anyone here still work in say a factory for three years without a pay rise the cost of living goes up but nurses wages stay the same? they are not in it for the pay all on here has used the nhs and we are still here to post and other countries around the world envy our nhs I see a lad who comes all the way from America every six months because its cheaper than an appointment in America for cancer treatment ? jp and dave no one is having a go when their points of view are posted threads start of as one thing and turn into a totally different thing? jp

[j.sabourn]

#17.... Ivan Putinoski MOS, I believe it was because it was Friday 13th. I know what that day can do, the reason I went to bed early and covered my head with the sheet. JWS ex MOS