spanish NHS

[Captain Kong]

Re: spanish NHS
Our local hospital was rubbish a few years ago ( Queen Alexandra Cosham - Portsmouth ) Then Carillion built a new Hospital under a PFI , so I thought from bad to worse , I have a friend whose wife is there in the High Dependency Unit who cannot praise it enough , especially the quality and caring of the staff , In relating that to several other people I was astounded what a high level of praise everyone gives that hospital , and more than six people now have mentioned how caring the staff are . I have grave doubts about PFIs and Carillion as a contractor , and the politics behind it , but it looks like all my fears were unfounded ROB
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. Hi Rob,
My son is the Consultant Hepatologist [Liver and Pancreatic Diseases] at the Queen Alelexandra Hospital.
and he has now got a good team with him.
He is coming up this afternoon for a visit.
If you need a new Liver give us a shout and I will tell him.
Cheers
Brian

[Keith Tindell]

Ref my post on the cost of translators in NHS hospital. That is provided free if you cannot understand English, but my sister in law aged 81 was recently in hospital, and the cost of using the bedside telephone was an absolute fortune. Finaly her husband bought her a mobile phone KT

[robpage]

RE #11 . When with Sealink , I had a long experience of heavy drinkers in Union Castle , and to a lesser extent Clan Line , Gulf Oil was a relatively sober outfit , as spirit were restricted to a bottle a week , and beer a case a day . Then I joined Sealink . I left , whilst I still had my liver , many did not . When your Chief engineer has started the second bottle by lunchtime you know you are dealing with serious drinkers . I was glad to get out , and despite liking a drink too far , unlike quite a few colleagues I am still here . Damaged but still ticking over

[Captain Kong]

Our local hospital was rubbish a few years ago ( Queen Alexandra Cosham - Portsmouth ) Then Carillion built a new Hospital under a PFI , so I thought from bad to worse , I have a friend whose wife is there in the High Dependency Unit who cannot praise it enough , especially the quality and caring of the staff , In relating that to several other people I was astounded what a high level of praise everyone gives that hospital , and more than six people now have mentioned how caring the staff are . I have grave doubts about PFIs and Carillion as a contractor , and the politics behind it , but it looks like all my fears were unfounded Rob
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. Hi Rob I was talking to a very well informed person over the weekend about the the Queen Alexandra Hospital.
Carillion was awarded the contract for the big extension to the hospital by Tony Bliar and Gordon Brown.
The hospital was built for 100 Million Pounds,
The contract for maintenace was also included and the total cost over 20 years is £700,000,000 POUNDS.
They do the catering as well, when the Staff have a meeting in the Hospital Carillion charge £12 a head for a cardboard cup of coffee. So that is where the money of the NHS goes to,
I wonder if any back handers were awarded with the contract??????

[robpage]

That is why I hate PFIs , and Tony and Gordy did a lot , Carillion were formerly Tarmac construction , who had an awful reputation for not paying subcontractors . The PFI Contract at Portsmouth , meant there could have been a brand new hospital built every ten years if financed and built by the trust . Carillion have a fixed contract , which pays them £30,000,000 a year to provide services , but if a consultant wants an electrical socket moved a foot it is over £450 . the extras are a sad tale . I have no time for this deal at all , you want to park there , that is painful . I had worried about how the place was staffed , but the NHS side has had nothing but praise locally , that is good news , as for Carillion , no one has a good word for them As for backhanders , I bet there is nothing provable

[Captain Kong]

Thats right Rob
Your figures are correct, £30 million a year for 20 years plus the £100 million to build is £700, million. They could have built another 6 hospitals with that .
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Real good Socialists were Bliar and Brown. and people still believe in them.
"What fools these mortals be", said Shakespear, the same then as now.
Cheers
Brian.

[Jim Brady]

The Royal in Liverpool has just started a new build by way of PFI,it's either that way or not atall the way that this government is cutting back on the NHS it wont be around much longer.They gave out a contract to some outfit to supply a locum service, at times there was one doctor on at night to cover the whole of Devon did they have to pay a penalty,did they hell.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[John Gill]

Thats right Rob
Your figures are correct, £30 million a year for 20 years plus the £100 million to build is £700, million. They could have built another 6 hospitals with that .
.
Real good Socialists were Bliar and Brown. and people still believe in them.
"What fools these mortals be", said Shakespear, the same then as now.
Cheers
Brian.

Think that should be Bliar and Blown Kong.

[robpage]

The Liverpool Royal is another Carillion ( ex Tarmac Construction ) The project includes a £335m private finance initiative deal for construction and ongoing maintenance of the new Hospital, financed by a combination of equity and debt to be repaid over 31 years. However, the trust said the amount of public and European Investment Bank funding going into this deal would contribute to making it “one of the lowest cost public private deals ever”.This includes £90.5m debt from the EIB, £94m from the Department of Health, and £24m from the trust itself. The remaining funds will be provided by private investors, including Legal and General Investment Management, Lloyds TSB and Scottish Widows Investment .Equipment, landscaping, and demolition costs will bring the total price tag for the project up to £429m, with the trust covering this additional £94m itself.Helen Jackson, Royal Liverpool director of strategy and redevelopment, said that annual repayments would be over £10m less than initial projections and around 5 per of trust income. She claimed it would be “one of the lowest cost public private deals ever”.She told HSJ that annual repayments to the private sector would be £19.1m at today’s prices, compared to £34.3m in the original business case. She added that while Treasury funding had helped “enormously” with the reduction, a number of factors contributed: “We’ve benefited from a very good proposal from Carillion… and some funding markets are very competitive at the moment.”“We’ve been working with the European Investment Bank for a number of years and their contribution to the senior debt has been extremely helpful,” she said.
Ms Jackson said the deal had many aspects of “PFI 2” − the government’s new private finance regime − including public sector capital and contract transparency, and that it would be one of the first schemes to have reduced indexation of the unitary payment, with just 40 per cent indexed to inflation.Developers Carillion will build the new facility, with completion expected in 2017 and the trust planning to move into the building that August. The hospital will have 18 theatres and 23 wards and will be the largest in the country to provide all in-patients with single en-suite bedrooms.

That is less than half the costs of the Queen Alexandra at Portsmouth , which was as Brian said £700,000,000 , Maybe Dave & George do better deals than Tony & George B .

[happy daze john in oz]

RE #11 . When with Sealink , I had a long experience of heavy drinkers in Union Castle , and to a lesser extent Clan Line , Gulf Oil was a relatively sober outfit , as spirit were restricted to a bottle a week , and beer a case a day . Then I joined Sealink . I left , whilst I still had my liver , many did not . When your Chief engineer has started the second bottle by lunchtime you know you are dealing with serious drinkers . I was glad to get out , and despite liking a drink too far , unlike quite a few colleagues I am still here . Damaged but still ticking over

Rob soerry but I have to correct you regarding UCL. They were not heavy drinkers rather consider them as professional drinkers.