Batteries in cars

[Johnny Kieran]

The trouble with EVs is, they're just to dear. Then there's the uncertainty about them only being good for 7 years. I used to renew every year, but now I don't bother, the price is not worth it. I stopped renewing the wife's car when she retired and now it only does about 400 miles a year (that's if I drive it sometimes just to keep the battery going).
I think they dropped a clanger with all this anti car thing, and then putting an end of production date on them. They've even stopped repairing our roads to encourage us off the roads. They closed all the town centres, and made out of town shopping centres with huge carparks, so if we don't have a car, we can't go shopping. If you use public transport, all your shopping will have gone off time you get home.

[James Curry]

EV's buy a 2 year old Kona, they are giving them away. Not that I need a car no licence now. But the wife does the driving now.
Spotted a 18 month old Hyundai Kona EV £14,000 13500 miles. Cost new £44,672, did see a managers special £39,999.
All marques are discounting EV's and 0% finance.
My bus pass aloows me free train travel on Merseyrail.

[John Arton]

Yes, second hand e.v's prices are dropping quite a lot but if their batteries need replacing after a certain length of time are you just buying into a expensive replacement cost?
There is one car sales outfit that advertise on the t.v saying all there cars, including e.v's are checked and refurbished so does that mean that the batteries have been replaced?
Rgds
J.A

[happy daze john in oz]

It is not as simple as just replacing the battery.
In may models now it is built into the sub frame, battery wears out, buy a new car,

[James Curry]

EV's are a con job, only reason car companies got into them was because of the so called push for green energy. Politicians kept pushing the emmissions lower and lower until it became nigh on impossible to achieve the Euro guide lines.
Got to the stage that companies like VW just cheated along with others. I wonder have the Let's save the planet mob Well let's see how they cope with recycling the old batteries.

[happy daze john in oz]

James, welcome to the real world the world where most are now being lead by the nose.

A well known Oz professor in a top uni today made a speech which will upset so many in the gov and Greens.

He said stop to the rhetoric of these people, people who are attempting to frighten you into believing what they want you to.
Spreading lies and mist quotes to enhance their case.

Then a bit on the news, EV sales in USA are falling and a number of lithium companies are down on the market, an oversupply that no one wants.
Believe what you want James but do not let yourself be sucked into the 'Climate change disaster', one that will not happen the way they attempt to tell us.

[James Curry]

John , EV's are doing nothing for the planet the pollution the mining extraction of lithium is far worse than the lowest emissions from either a diesel or petrol car produces.
Oh I am not switching sides on the climate change, that is not something that has just become about. The planet has been in trouble since the start of the industrial age. Reason it is more of an issue is the rapid increase in rising sea temperatures , flooding and storms.
So John no change in my views. Sorry mate to disappoint

[happy daze john in oz]

James, we live in a democracy, I may not agree with your views but I agree you have the right to hold them.

An EV requires I saw yesterday some 52 kilo of Nickle for the battery, we cannot keep taking from the ground at this rate.
According to a report here in Oz we bought a bout 24,000 EV last year and sales are dropping.

Like USA we have vast expanses of land with no charging stations, people who like to go bush, people who like to tow a caravan, people who like SUV type vehicles such as my Land Rover.

Worst of all a minister in charge of stuffing it all up attempting to impose restrictions, he can go whistle dixie as far as most of us are concerned.

AS to floods, 'I love a sun burned country, a land of sweeping plains, of rugged mountain ranges of droughts and FLOODING rain'.

Down in Port Melbourne last week high water mark still the same as in 1964.

[James Curry]

John tell that to the folks who live in Kiribata, Gilbert Islands , they may disagree. A wee test put cold water in kettle,one of those ones with a window so you can check the level, mark it then boil it and see if the level has increased.

The change in sea levels is linked to three primary factors, all induced by ongoing global climate change: 1. Thermal expansion: When water heats up, it expands. About half of the sea-level rise over the past 25 years is attributable to warmer oceans simply occupying more space & melting glaciers.

Me I prefer lush rolling hills , lakes and mountains, Cumbria , Lake district, which is being destroyed because United Utilities are pump shite into the lakes, cheaper to pay the fine than fix the problem. Notrh Wales is fantastic, mountains, lakes and effing Cars pulling Caravans.
Do you still need someone to sponsor you to move to Australia? What about it John

[happy daze john in oz]

Most people coming here do need a sponsor of some sort.
Could be an employer or family member, but if family then one must be employed full time.

We continue to agree to differ but do at times agree.

A Scientist in USA today said that EV are the most un- environmentally friendly concepts ever considered.
The amount of damage to the land, emissions during construction and the amount of materials to manufacture the battery is obscene.
To such an extent they will in many instances create more emissions from construction etc than an ICE vehicle may produce in 20 years of use.
Fits in with Volvo who stated last year then their EV needed to do 76,000 miles to become zero emissions.

Some years ago a UK professor by the name of Bellamy having studied a number of south sea islands declared sea level were not rising, rather the island were sinking mainly due to the under ground fresh water table being extinguished.
He was laughed at.

Last year a UN study of some three years into the subject admitted Bellamy was correct.