The Voice

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Les.
This sort of ting has been going on since the Pilgrim fathers landed in America, and they took the lands off the Indians, killed all the buffalo
then discovered Gold ,oil, coal et all on the reservations so had to kick them off again. The difference if any is that the Aboriginal now want to have a bit of the good life, so want their kids educated which many are doing, but many are not, still living the life they have known for ever, its a hard row to hoe for us to decide what they really want. But as you say Dutton the ex copper used to and enjoying kicking the **** of aboriginal kids is now doing it to the grown ups, causing a lot of confusion.

Des

[happy daze john in oz]

The Australian constitution is an instrument for the governance of the nation and is 'A" political.

The proposed version of the Voice is a political issue, as such it has no place in the constitution.

Problem is of course very few understand the constitution so either party can use what ever they like to suit them. But there are so many bodies caring for the Aboriginal communities one has to ask why more??

The Voice will, if it gets up, be just the beginning of many instances


Look at what has just happened in S. Australia, the high court has granted land rights over some of the best land in the state.

There are two ways a country can be taken over, colonization or invasion.

Many of the Aboriginal claim invasion, under that rule you lose every thing to the invader.
If that is the case then they own nothing.

But as a leading elder here in my town told me manyy ears ago,

' We do not own the land, the land owns us and is here for all'

[Les Woodard]

John you have answered your own response. Yes the constitution is A political and that is the reason for this vote to change it to include the voice. To allow them a voice that can not be gagged by a political party. Simply because all the other groups have been legislated as the LNP want with the voice so that it becomes up to the political party in power to either foster it or starve it of funds to make it futile. Comes down to the basic facts that no one trusts politicians to keep their word. Who can ever forget that lying anus wipe Howard with his non core and core promises after he won the election on all the promises he made. Personally think that the voice will be lost simply because once again the LNP doing their usual misuse of the truth or rearranging it to suit their agenda. This started out to be A political and guess who changed all that.

[Alan Briggs]

I agree, all it has done is divide the country and create racism.

[happy daze john in oz]

The most amazing thing about this is the number of senior Aboriginals, real ones not box tickers, who are opposed to it.
If it is the answer then why are they against it

Or do they have an ulterior motive behind it all?

[Des Taff Jenkins]

John.
The ulterior motive is they lose control of the money paid by Govt's, to Land councils, I remember years ago one group who ran a land council all had lovely houses while the local aboriginals lived about thirty or more to a house.
Des

[James Curry]

Ever notice that the parish priest Vicar lives in a big paid for free house while those stupid enough fund it!!!!

[happy daze john in oz]

Did my duty today and voted early as we are here.
Big NO underlined for me.

Got speaking with a lady I know who works for the electoral commission and was on duty.

She informed me that a well know constitutional lawyer has lodged a complaint with the supreme court.

His claim, the Australian constitution does not allow for individual groups to be recognized in it.
There is no reference to how the PM should be elected or any individual body.
It is based on equality for all with no preference.

The Voice as he claims cannot be enshrined as it fails the basic concept of equality for all.

Some 3% of the population therefore cannot have a special agreement which is what the voice would be.

[happy daze john in oz]

So the day is almost here, tomorrow the vote is on.
Funny, NZ goes to the polls as well to erect a new gov.

Conclusion now from many polis is that for future referendums, unless there is bi, or even tri party support there is no good in having one.

Had the full truth about this been explained to the people then maybe a better result.

A recent survey shows that the referendum comes 17th out of 20 important matters facing the Australian people.
Says a lot for how we are thinking just now about other more important matters.

[Doc Vernon]

Have to Vote unfortunately, but i still also say all this a load of pure Bull.
Anyway i and my dear Irene will be off to the Public School early Tomorrow to cast our NO Votes!

Have a good day!! LOL
Cheers