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    Interesting, thanks Des.

    Keith.

    Added: Apparently, Joe Biden warned a 'dark winter' is ahead as the nation battles the coronavirus pandemic and warned President Donald Trump's refusal to start the transition process could result in more deaths.

    And it is reported that Donald Trump 'was talked out of launching' a missile strike on Iran's main nuclear site last week after his top advisers warned it could trigger a war - but is 'still mulling options to punish Tehran'

    January cannot come to soon.


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    Des, such trade deals do not actually mean that much.
    They are free trade and those involved may or may not wish to trade at all times.
    There is a world trade standard agreement but that is of little value.
    It matters not which gov is in power, all nations involved can at times become the disadvantaged by the actions of another.
    It requires good faith on both sides to make it work.

    But as with all postings brought from the press it is often common knowledge and hardly relevant to the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post
    Des, such trade deals do not actually mean that much.


    An agreement not to restrict imports or impose tariffs alone is worth having or could prove costly ?

    K.

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    Johnno.

    In one of your previous posts you described yourself as a capitalist liberal. I take it you favor a fairly free market approach to business and trade, I'll take a guess that you would take exceptions to monopolistic control of a market by a company and favor government controlled medical coverage. And absolute control of an industry by unions is a no no too as that is no difference than monopoly of a market segment by a single company. I think this reasonably describes a capitalist liberal/liberal capitalist. If I'm correct, it would describe me also.

    Oh! he,he, it would describe an American Democrat, say Biden and Harris, but not Bernie Sanders, he's much further to the American left, but still not a communist but a socialist.

    It's not that I have moved to the left, it's that the American Republican party moved so far to the right they left me behind. If one of the 70 odd million Trump voters read this, and I have judged you correctly, we both would be pegged by the saner Trump voters who are solid regular conservative, and no where else to go but Trump, as a couple of socialists. By the died in the wool Trump supporters we would be communists.

    Now, When you read an article stating that Biden is a closet communist ,then that writer would call us the same and anybody else that favors National Health programs. Next see who he/she is writing from. You are not going to see that as a bi-line of the Washington Post, The Los Angeles times, The New York Times, Time and Newsweek magazine, or any responsible News outlet. It will be from some penny-paper type operation, usually with names like Liberty speaks magazine. Freedom News, Radio True News, you get the idea, judge what you read from the USA by it's source.

    On some issues I'm further to the right than you are. I favor a choice of State run medical coverage for those who want it at affordable rates and paid for to the low income earners and below. With the right to choose private coverage by those that prefer that, and the right to accept coverage offered as a benefit by an employer. I like what I have, Social Security coverage paid partially by me and the balance supported by the government paid from me and others via deductions from our working days paycheck and private insurance coverage paid by me to cover the part the government Social Security doesn't cover. Which means I am 100% covered.

    During my working life I always had insurance coverage paid as a benefit by my employer. So I have always had 100% medical coverage for me and my family. 100% coverage during my 3 years in Canada (coverage came out the year before I arrived) and of course the Nat'l Health in England and the MN.

    Cheers, Rodders

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    Hi Rod.
    I am further to the left than you, but probably not much. What I steam up about is that the so called liberals in this country who are in fact Liberal Conservatives.
    We have just had our sanctimonious PM fly to see the Jap PM and sign a pact which is in fact a war pact centered against China, this only a few weeks after attending a memorial to men who died defending Australia against the Japs, who would had they reached Aus would have made it a slave colony, as you know in the last war which is in living memory the Japs committed atrocious actions on all their enemies. China who fought on our side lost millions. The whole reason for this turmoil; is because America in the name of the Secretary of State Pompeo? asked our dimwit PM to do and say things against China, who is after all our biggest trading partner, with which he complied , as he hasn't the wit of a gnat.
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    Des mate we all see such things in a different manner.

    But Rodders, thanks for that.
    Here in Oz we have both private and public health, I have had private but no more.
    From experience I have found that public health treatment si better than private.
    What really showed me was the fact that both I and my best mate had a Radical Prostatectomy around the same time.
    He private with an out of pocket extra of some $5,000 for me $45 fort some medication.
    From what he told me I also got better after care services.


    There is now a push, and not a bad idea, for aged care facilities to be funded by Medicare rather than private as so many are.
    Having worked in the sector for over 6 years I have some idea of how they work.
    Private ones struggle to make a profit and as a result the clients suffer.
    Most here I think would be happy to pay an extra 1% on the Medicare levy to accommodate this.

    As to the political side.

    In my opinion no gov of any sort should be involved in the ownership, control or management of any company, be it a corporation or a utility.
    Governments make the laws under which they operate, owning can create a situation of conflict of interest.

    Government for government business for businesses.

    But I agree, on both sides of politics there are extremests, but we are all entitled to our views.
    As to capitalism, if companies do not make money then no jobs. But some here in the Labor party fail to see that.
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    When I was growing up America was looked upon as the role model for all other countries. In the movies all Americans lived in large houses with the white picket fence, drove large cars and were all fit and healthy. Those of us who travelled to the States saw the reality of how life was for the population who lived on the wrong side of the tracks. But the myth of the American Dream still existed in the minds of the movie goers. This changed in the 60's with the war in Vietnam and the rise of the peace movement, this was the first war with reporters and photo journalists on the ground, the pictures of the terrified little girl running naked with her skin peeling off after a napalm raid flashed across the world.
    Now we are watching the news of 250,000 Americans dying from Covid 19, with numbers rising daily, three mile queues at a food bank in El Paso, Texas and prisoners paid $2 a day to load bodies into refrigerated trucks.
    For Trump his two priorities were his re election and a surge in the economy to help him achieve it.
    Some of you reading this may think I am a left wing anti American, it is not the case. I am anti the presidents and politicians Americans elect to run their country. I am also anti the politicians here in the UK and abroad who follow behind US presidents like well trained lap dogs.

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    Yes Louis, we all grew up with that concept.
    But from much of what we see on TV for many the great American dream can be more of a nightmare.
    Pity in a country of so much wealth.
    As to house size, latest bit put out by some department, largest houses in the world are here in Oz. Bit of a surprise.
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    I see Biden is calling Trump the most irresponsible president of all time in USA.
    Mainly because of his attitude to the Virus.

    But he alone is not responsible.

    From what i have read there area number of State govenors who have taken no action against the Virus.
    Surely, like state premiers here, it is their responsibility to take action in the state they run.
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    On top of all else the Trump administration are now
    hampering the virus response plan by biden. This
    may cost more lives.

    K.

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