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    I once spent 6 weeks in a 12 berth cabin aboard a p&o immigrant ship on the lowest deck. Isolation it weren't but I wished it had of been.
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    Found this article on the net yesterday, explains why the toll is so high in Italy and Spain.
    Could apply to many other countruies as well.


    ROME—The coffins are lined up in rows inside the church of San Giuseppe in the northern Italian city of Bergamo. There are 80 in all, many made hastily of rough pine that will never be varnished. Signs with handwritten numbers taped to the floor identify who is in what box, like some sort of grim lottery.

    Funerals have been prohibited all across Italy since March 10, so the most the dead will get is a sprinkling of holy water and a group prayer before being sent to the crematorium. Many of the victims had underlying health conditions that gave COVID-19 a lethal edge, but they all share a striking similarity: they all died in isolation and their final farewell will be silent.

    Father Mario Carminati, who leads the local parish in the one of the hardest hit areas of Italy’s corner of the COVID-19 pandemic, greets each coffin as it is wheeled into the church from a funeral parlor, a hospital morgue, or a private home. A ban on public gatherings means there are no family members to mourn. No tears are shed publicly.

    Carminati told a local television station that his basilica is now a cemetery. There are more coffins in the store room and adjacent school gym, idle now that schools are closed. They will all be cremated because the local cemeteries are closed for burial and, anyway, there are just too many bodies and not enough burial space for them all.

    More than 12,400 people have died with the coronavirus since the pandemic started gutting this country last month, making Italy’s mortality rate around 10.2 percent in comparison with 4.2 percent or less elsewhere, based on World Health Organization figures.

    People have tried to justify the deaths by pointing to Italy’s large elderly population; 23 percent of people are 65 or older. The median age of death in the Italian cluster of the pandemic so far is 78, and more than three-quarters of those who have perished had one or more underlying pathologies, from cancer to diabetes to heart problems.

    But the real explanation for Italy’s staggering mortality rate is more complicated than that. Dr. Massimo Galli, who heads the infectious disease unit at Sacco Hospital in Milan, says it is because Italy’s more than 105,000 cases of coronavirus infection merely scratch the surface. The real figure, he says, is “much, much more,” and if the true number of infections were known the percentage death rate would be more in line with other countries.

    Italy’s Civil Protection Department agrees and says the total number of cases is likely 600,000 or more.

    In the beginning, long before the novel coronavirus spread across Europe and through the United States, almost anyone in Italy with a COVID-like symptom or who had been north of Florence got a test. That quickly changed as the number of serious cases multiplied in the wealthy northern provinces, putting pressure on the health care systems there and making it dangerous for symptomatic people to go to emergency rooms.

    The fear was that if tests were too easy to get, everyone would rush to their doctors for them, potentially infecting scores along the way. Now, anyone with a fever or other symptoms is just told to stay home and quarantine for 14 days, even if they have come in contact with a COVID-positive person. Only if they need hospitalization will they be tested by technicians who make house calls in full hazmat gear.

    Another reason Italy’s mortality rate seems so high could come down to how Italians count their dead. The scientific adviser to Italy’s health minister said last week that Italy counts anyone who died with the coronavirus as a COVID-19 death. “Only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” he said, meaning their true cause of death was a result of their underlying condition and pneumonia caused by the virus simply sent them over the edge.

    Spain, which has the second highest mortality rate in the pandemic so far, also counts anyone with the virus at the time of death as a COVID-19 fatality. Many other countries with relatively low mortality rates, like Germany and France, have not made public just how they count their far fewer dead.

    But experts also warn that the death count, like the number of total infections, could actually be much higher than what is being reported since many people who die at home or in nursing care facilities are not tested if they were asymptomatic.

    “It is plausible that deaths are underestimated,” Silvio Brusaferro, head of Italy’s National Health Institute, said Tuesday at the daily civil protection press conference. “We report deaths that are signaled with a positive swab. Many other deaths are not tested with a swab.”

    Several authorities in Italy have pointed to a surge in mysterious pneumonia cases that swept northern Italy in December and early January before testing for COVID-19 was underway. Italy’s Ministry of Health points to a lighter-than-normal flu season that spared so many elderly people who might normally have died, instead leaving them vulnerable to the ravages of the coronavirus.
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    we went to the cancer clinic yesterday we overheard nurses saying there was only three masks between all the staff on that clinic that is the first time we have been out of the house in nearly a month? true jp

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    Well we've been in lockdown for a few months now and normality is a distant memory, thre's always something to do in the garden and
    my greenhouse ise is home to a variety of potted plants which should look pretty impressive when they come into flower, being an ozone
    junkie I have really missed my walks along the seafront but maybe that will start again soon, I live in a quiet spot away from the pubs and
    amusements so mainly it's only the local residents and families that come here for the sea and sand so all very normal and peaceful, also I've
    missed going to the local, which is a lovely old timber beamed building, going there with my son for a meal and a few pints was always a joy,
    but don't think we will rush into that for a while what with all the new rules. On channel 81 today was a short film titled Sunday at Southend 1959,
    for me it was a pure joy to watch, a real walk down memory lane with everyone having the time of their lives, with the Kursaal in full swing and
    the whole place heaving with day trippers, I've posted before that we were anchored off Southend for six weeks in August 58 when the London
    docks on strike, not a bad place to be in the summertime, cheers

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    now so far this week two letters saying i will be getting a phone call today two letters what is going on why not ring me they have the number and i am and have been in lock down for months so i am no going anywhere what ever hapend to common sense so i will know the plan today? jp

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    Well here in Oz we are inn a state of total confusion.
    Some state have closed their borders, the Northern Territory is carrying on as though nothing happened.
    Queensland ,Western Oz, South Oz and NSW do not want any one from Victoria to go there.

    Things were looking good here in Melbourne, the hair dressers never closed, restrictions were being lifted, shops opening though many never closed.
    We were set for further lifting last Monday, up to 50 ion one place, pubs to open along with restaurants and cinemas along with gyms and a few other places.

    Then the figures went a bit off here in Melbourne, 8 days of double digit cases of the virus. All back to square one again almost.
    Only 20 in a restaurant or cinema, social distancing toughend up again.

    All because after the festival of Ead a number got together for celebrations spreading it around, all in just 10 suburbs around the city.

    So now Victoria is being treated like some sort of plague by the others.

    But must admit the figures from gov are bad, with a population of just over 6.6 million we now have some 200 active cases and 20 died.

    All this because the way returning travelers have been not cared for in the correct way. Locked in hotel for 14 days but staff not adhering to the rules.

    But today we went to the movies, 20 at a time allowed in though there were on 7 in there, got to a restaurant last week and will go again on Saturday.
    Apart from that life goes on as normal.

    Quite amazing when you think of it, 1919 50 million out of some 2.1 billion fell off the perch. This one from 7.9 billion just under half a million have fallen off.
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    John sorry to tell you but we don't want you in Tassie right now either. We are day 41 virus free and we want it stay that way. There is supposed to be an announcement today about our borders but read any vox pop and we are all in agreement with our premier keep the border closed for now.
    All it takes is just one as happened with you and away it goes again.
    But hey we are happy to process some of your tests that you have been doing there.
    One of our sons is in a new hot spot so we are watching events there closely.
    A vaccine is the only way this is going to get better. Hopefully not as long as some guy on radio who suggested it would take till 2030!! Yikes. Chin up we'll love you guys again ...just later ok? LOL

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    As the thread commenced a few months ago it is no longer
    an UK - Three Week Lockdown, virtually all four countries
    are deciding for themselves and most not listening to much
    to the PM whom seems reckless on opening up England to
    soon.

    Rather in Wales we do not risk another wave as only time will
    tell on what ever is going on over our border. Fingers crossed.

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    Latest today from WHO is that they say a vaccine will be available in less than a year.
    But if what the oxford Uni tells, they are also very involved, there could be one as soon as October.
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    Sadly John looks like some post codes over there are in another 3 week lockdown. My eldest is in a suburb next to but not in one of those zones. He and his family have been tested and found to be clear. However as he is amongst those other areas he could find it difficult to conduct his daily life, possibly his local supermarket is in a lockdown area etc. Such complications.
    We are still free in Tassie, hopefully will stay so as no one is actually coming into the state anymore, thank goodness for Bass Strait.

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