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    Default Batteries for all.

    As most of us now know there is a big push towards electric vehicles in the Eu and various other countries such as here in Australia.

    The opposition here, erection due in May, want to see a 50% ownership of such by 2030. As most of us say, 'in your dreams'.

    Nothing wrong with them if you have the infrastructure to support them, we do not here in Oz.
    The "greens' want the nation to be 100% renewable energy by 2035, also in their dreams.

    Unlike many parts of EU the distances here make electric vehicle with a range of maybe 450KLm under perfect circumstances would hardly go far.
    We often do more than that on a Sunday out.

    But today there was a very interesting item in the news.
    China has about 1 million electric vehicles on the road and a suitable number of recharging stations to meet the needs.

    They are in the process of building a new factory which will produce electric vehicles which they will sell to the world.

    Unlike models currently available they will be significantly lower in price.

    Hyundai are currently in the middle of a big electric' Kona' model push with the base model retailing here in Oz for $60,000 plus on road costs etc.
    Then to recharge you will require a special unit at your place of residence.

    The base Tesla model here is priced at about $200,000.

    Based on the price for other Chinese made vehicles one suspects that the price will be such that it will kill off much of the competition.

    The quality of their vehicles has greatly improved over the years and have become very popular here in Oz particularly with the Tradies who find the Utes they make are tough enough to satisfy their needs.
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    All the greens seem to forget that in order to get the Lithium and other"rare" earth metals for the batteries, massive amount of chemicals are used to flush out the elements.
    So far from being green, the batteries are the cause of pollution.
    Estimates state that there is only sufficient materials available for 50 years at current levels of production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post
    As most of us now know there is a big push towards electric vehicles in the Eu and various other countries such as here in Australia.

    The opposition here, erection due in May, want to see a 50% ownership of such by 2030. As most of us say, 'in your dreams'........................

    Based on the price for other Chinese made vehicles one suspects that the price will be such that it will kill off much of the competition.

    The quality of their vehicles has greatly improved over the years and have become very popular here in Oz particularly with the Tradies who find the Utes they make are tough enough to satisfy their needs.
    As Vic has stated John the electric car is produced with limited battery material resourses and environmental problems associated with it's mining. I do beleive with the right kind of investment and pressures applied to the big oil and diesel engine manufacturers, that we may see the emission results that are sought. I am not convinced that the electric car will be the final answer, but may only be a temporary solution. Found this article interesting :-
    Diesel Engine & Emissions

    The diesel engine is the most efficient power plant among all known types of internal combustion engines. Heavy trucks, urban buses, and industrial equipment are powered almost exclusively by diesel engines all over the world and diesel powered passenger cars are increasingly popular. For the foreseeable future, the world’s transportation needs will continue to rely on the diesel engine and its gasoline counterpart. However, both engine technologies are evolving at an ever increasing pace to meet two major challenges: lower emissions and increased energy efficiency.

    Internal combustion engines are significant contributors to air pollution that can be harmful to human health and the environment. In response, clean diesel technologies with near-zero emissions of NOx and PM have been developed and introduced in regions with the most stringent emission standards: North America, Europe and Japan. While new clean diesel engines are gradually replacing the population of older diesel engines in these regions, older engines already in service are being retrofitted with clean diesel technologies to hasten emissions reductions. As this trend spreads to other parts of the world, the environmental focus has shifted to climate changing emissions and energy efficiency. The environmental benefit of low greenhouse gas emissions, traditionally associated with the diesel engine, is no longer sufficient. To meet future greenhouse gas and fuel economy regulations, new technologies are being developed—low temperature combustion, waste heat recovery, powertrain electrification, to name a few—that further increase the efficiency not only of the diesel engine powertrain but the entire vehicle as well. Under low-carbon regulatory policies, the scope for potential improvements is no longer limited to engines and vehicles, but also includes life cycle effects of fuel production and vehicle manufacture.

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    Default Re: Batteries for all.

    Here is how my tablet LITHIUM battery expanded and burst open the tablet case. It was not in use at the time and stored on the book case, I found it in time before it set the house on fire.
    I think batteries need more advancement before we trust them to drive every thing.
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    China has announced that in SIX years everyone in China will be driving electric cars. Maybe false news.
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    Toyota has confirmed it will continue with their Hybrid models.

    The Hylux, one of the best sellers here is mainly Diesel and is very popular with Tradies.
    They have confirmed that an electric version will not have the power of the conventional model.
    They intend to produce a partial Hybrid where the electric part will kick in at start up point when emissions are at the highest and at braking point.
    At all other time will run conventional fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Taff Jenkins View Post
    China has announced that in SIX years everyone in China will be driving electric cars. Maybe false news.
    Des
    No Des, quite possible in the major towns and cities, but not so much in rural regions.
    Currently many ride around in Mercs and BMW made there under license.
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