Climate Change -Again.

[Rodney Mills]

John, welcome back.

The change in height, and living longer is in proportion to medical advances and improved agricultural yields, refrigeration, correct storage, transportation and many man-made improvements to life in general. In the late 19th century, being fat was the sign of success and wealth, as only the rich could eat regularly and often, today being fat is frowned upon.

Most of the growth in man has occurred from the end of WWII. I was 5'10 my last year of school and considered very tall as 5'5" was the average height of an Englishman. Today 5'11', my top height, is not much. My diet growing up was nothing like what my own kids enjoyed or what they had is to their kids.

Near starvation was the average food level of the average person in the late 1800s, and not much better until the end of WWII. just think of the medical level at that time in comparison to today.

Cheers, Rodney

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Rod.
Nearly had tears in my eyes reading your post about Bowen, It should have been called Paradise, spent three weeks there loading sugar in 49
The clearest sea water I have ever swum in. If only I had a hundred pounds then I could have bought an island off the coast there, dreams, dreams.
Cheers Des

[Les Woodard]

Just get back to basics and common sense for a change. If the deniers are wrong then the end is not going to be pleasant. If the climate activist are wrong then in years to come we end up with a cleaner world and still plenty of fossil fuels to mine to bring prosperity to the population. Personally I am in the later camp and at least leave a clean and prosperous world to those that come after us. Anyone can go on the internet and drag up examples to suite their personal cause. Trouble is they stop looking once they find something to assist their argument unlike scientists that try to probe a bit deeper to prove that theory.

[happy daze john in oz]

I have in my garden two pieces of Coral brought back many years ago from Indonesia.

There was at that time plenty of dead Coral lying on the sea bed close enough to the coast to pick up as you walked along.

According to one of the locals there was always such coming up as he said, all living things in the end die.

That is true, consider all the creatures of this planet that have come and gone, Dinasours comes to mind as one, though we still have a few in the ALP in Canberra, LOL, and no doubt if the Earth survives long enough there will be other such changes.

Since the beginning of Earth there have been changes taking place, including no doubt Climate.
But the problem with the current argument is the very term Climate change.

The paramators that define any climate do not change, Temperate will always be temperate, tropical always tropical and this is where the clever ones are using the inability of many to understand this as the weapon of choice.

Parts of the earth may well move from one type of climate to another, brought about by weather pattern changes, but the climate will remain the same no matter where it moves to.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Just get back to basics and common sense for a change. If the deniers are wrong then the end is not going to be pleasant. If the climate activist are wrong then in years to come we end up with a cleaner world and still plenty of fossil fuels to mine to bring prosperity to the population. Personally I am in the later camp and at least leave a clean and prosperous world to those that come after us. Anyone can go on the internet and drag up examples to suite their personal cause. Trouble is they stop looking once they find something to assist their argument unlike scientists that try to probe a bit deeper to prove that theory.

We owe it to younger and future generations.

Keith.

[j.sabourn]

#280 That’s very true John but doesn’t answer my problem about the appendix. If by any chance before I pop my clogs, I should suffer from appendicitis , I would hate to think I was parting with my boiler mounting the salonometer cock. Cheers JS

[Chris Allman]

Gentlemen you were caught in a current there and were beginning to drift away from the topic, so I have created a new Thread called TWILIGHT for you to carry on discussing the subject as it is interesting. Thank you.

[Rodney Mills]

When a cyclone hits the coast of Queensland it dumps heaps of rain. The fresh water from this rain enters the rivers and dumps into the sea and enough fresh water can temporarily change the salination and this change will bleach and kill coral. however this effects coral that is growing close to the entrance to the rivers outlet not the whole of the G.B.R.. Another killer of coral is a member of the starfish family, the 'Crown of Thorns'. This feeds on Coral and bleaches it out, but has not effected the whole of the G.B.R.. A worst pest the coral has I am ashamed to say, are Scuba Divers. Beginner divers attend a three day course which consists of lectures warning one of the myriad of ways you can be killed diving and it ain't being eaten by great white sharks. Next are two pool dives practicing putting on equipment and breathing under water. Finally you participate in two open water dives. First dive is practicing emptying a flooded mask, taking equipment off and putting it back on while kneeling on the bottom. The second dive is half group dive staying with your scuba 'buddy", then you and your buddy have the second half as a fun dive. It's back on the boat and you are given the basic 'Open Water Diver' card/license or C-Card.

A C-Card is all you need to rent equipment anywhere in the world. This is what 95% of the worlds scuba divers have and most only dive again on a vacation in a place that is conducive to diving. A diver with this limited experience has no idea how to float underwater in one spot, they grab on to anything they can to keep their balance and that's coral. Of course coral can cut and if not treated right away leds to an infection, coral poisoning. So they wear gloves. If I had my way I'd ban diving gloves. Again this damages the coral only where the tourist dive boats go. Not the whole of the G.B.R..

As I said, the report I posted covered the region including the G.B.R., from Townsville to the Whitsundays. The site owner who published the photos and the Marine Park management that control the fore mentioned regions are awaiting reports from above Townsville and below the Whitsundays.

Some facts on the G.B.R. 2,900 individual reefs, 900 islands, 2,300 klm. long, covers 344,400 sq. klms. and can be seen from outer space.

Fresh water, Crown of thorns, or scuba divers cannot kill this marvel of nature...but increase in the ocean's temperature sure will and it's started in Townsville to the Whitsunday's

This is a treasure of the world and you Australians are it's guards. How you doing?

Rodney

[happy daze john in oz]

Rodders, you are correct about the Crown of Thorns Starfish, it is doing so much damage not just on the reef.

But an interesting article on our news today, one that shows how people can be fooled into thinking otherwise.

The claim is that summers here in Oz are now longer than winters, but this was only taken over some towns in NSW and Queensland not over the whole nation.

The variation between states is noticeable, Victoria has for a number of years no being experiencing what can only be described as average.
This summer period for the state has been one of the coolest on record.

But it can be taken further.
Alice Springs in the red center is a good guide to how temperatures are going.
Normally by early to mid September it will be around the 35 degree mark, rising up from there.
This year it did not reach that point until late October.
It has had very few over 40 days and is now only in the mid 20 degree region.
At tis time it should still be close to 30.

The heat from there is driven south by the wind often giving Melbourne the hot, sometimes around 40 days, only two this year.
Yet go back to the mid 80's to late 90's and we would always get at least five or six, and at times such as in March of 98 five consecutive days at that.

On another 'Climate Change' note resulting from the various marches around the world earlier this year.

UK, USA and Australia conducted a survey of 200 uni students of each country who had been in the marches.
They were asked some questions.
Why do we have day and night, why do we have seasons, why do we have tides and why do temperatures vary.
Only 15% got it right.
The they claim to know it all about 'Climate Change'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[happy daze john in oz]

Local supermarket stripped bare of all goods.
All that was left was packets of three and also grass seed?
Bit odd that.