Britain's Slave Trade.

Just what is. The definition of a slave. Definition from the Dictionary... A person owned by another for whom he or she has to work. A person dominated by another or by a habit, drudge. Slavery state of condition of being a slave.
By all accounts slavery is still alive today and doing well. Or at the very least on the fringes of it , just under another name to appease people who see them self’s in a different light. Underpaid and over worked people are literally slaves and would say over half the world is such. Some of the Roman slaves were better treated as families used to treat them as part of the family. The. Incorrigible ones got stuck on the end of an oar on a Galley ( not a ships kitchen either ) This seeing the light of past times only applies to certain groups of people. I look on Britains past as something to be proud of,slaves or no slaves. If had lived in those times and had the money would have bought a couple myself, no different than buying shares on the stock market. If the shares go up., no doubt someone is utilising someone else’s cheap Labour to make a profit. Another thing we can thank the old Union movement for to cut back on the home grown ones. JS....

john that's sounds a lot like the EU that?? jp

Regarding my previous post on the slavery in the Cotton Mills............
The mighty Courtaulds Group, etc. closed down all the Cotton Mills of Lancashire after Wilson signed the Lima Agreement to send all our industries to the third world countries like India etc. making over 200,000 people unemployed, Dad was one of them as he struggled to breath with his Bysinosis Lung cancer, He applied for compensation, so the multi billion pound Empire of Courtaulds warded him 26 shillings a MONTH, paid on the 1st of the Month for the Month.
He died on the 12th of the month and my mother heard a knocking on the door, she opens it and there were two men from the Courtaulds demanding the return of 26 shillings as the money was for the month and as he did not survive that month the money had to be returned.
She had no money as she didn't even have a widows pension sorted yet. She had to go next door and borrowed the money to pay them.
My brother and I were at sea and didn't know about that until we returned 4 months later.
So much for Compensation.
Brian

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Originally Posted by j.sabourn

Just what is. The definition of a slave. Definition from the Dictionary... A person owned by another for whom he or she has to work. A person dominated by another or by a habit, drudge. Slavery state of condition of being a slave.
By all accounts slavery is still alive today and doing well. Or at the very least on the fringes of it , just under another name to appease people who see them self’s in a different light. Underpaid and over worked people are literally slaves and would say over half the world is such. Some of the Roman slaves were better treated as families used to treat them as part of the family. The. Incorrigible ones got stuck on the end of an oar on a Galley ( not a ships kitchen either ) This seeing the light of past times only applies to certain groups of people. I look on Britains past as something to be proud of,slaves or no slaves. If had lived in those times and had the money would have bought a couple myself, no different than buying shares on the stock market. If the shares go up., no doubt someone is utilising someone else’s cheap Labour to make a profit. Another thing we can thank the old Union movement for to cut back on the home grown ones. JS....

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hi j sabourn
thanks for a honest statement without a pc message, as I think there are parties on this site whom are politically blinded to the hardships that we have all endured that have actually helped and promoted this countries climb to where we are today,and instead of celebrating our achievements all the said parties want to do is apologise without recognising that whilst we are of the past ie our heritage we should not be called on to apologise for our ancestors doings,
tom

What about the recent cases in the UK,of so called
"travellers" being jailed for treating people like slaves.
Dave Williams

Modern slavery certainly exist in the UK today and I can see the laws are slowly tightening up personally I think if they find someone running slaves whether it's these gangmasters running agricultural workers or a pink running a brothel I think they should bring back the Old sentence of hard Labour and if they have had a number of Slaves for a number of years that should be the length of their sentence in hard labour . Because we seem to believe that the criminal justice system is there to re educate and reform I believe that there is a criminal element that treat it as a joke and that we need to have a criminal justice system that forgets the political niceties of life and is there to punish

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What about the recent cases in the UK,of so called
"travellers" being jailed for treating people like slaves.
Dave Williams

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Valid post. The people in question were themselves travelers or 'tinkers' as they would be described in Ireland. As a matter od interest one could still walk around Liverpool post war and find guesthouses with signs in the windows 'No Wiggers or Irish'. Absolutely disgraceful.

A friend wih West Indisn heritage threw out a figure of 30,000,000 Africans died on the slave ships , If that figure is accurate , earliest Portugeuse 1650 till 1833 UK banning , that equates to aout 150,000 dead men and women , a year , that is a total loss of 150 ship loads a year , if so was the ' cargo ' under the mate or a slave master , i have never been able to source the figure , but was assured it is accurate

From LIVERPOOL HOME PAGE, BBC,.


Liverpool was late in entering the slave trade but quickly surpassed London and Bristol to become Europe’s number one slave port by the 1740’s.

It’s thought that over 40,000 African slaves were transported by Liverpool vessels. By 1792 Liverpool was firmly established as the leading slave port, with 131 sailings in that year compared with 42 from Bristol and 22 from London.

Liverpool’s prosperity was bound up in the triangular trade. In Liverpool ships were loaded with cottons and woollens, guns, iron, alcohol and tobacco. The ships sailed to Africa where they traded the goods for slaves, ivory and gold.

The middle passage of the journey then took them to America or the West Indies where the slaves would be sold for money, colonial produce or bills of exchange.

Slave trade profits

Although Liverpool was essential to the slave trade, the slave trade was not essential to Liverpool. Even at its height less than 10% of outbound shipping was heading for Africa.

"I verily believe that the far greater part of wars, in Africa, would cease, if the Europeans would cease to tempt them, by offering goods for sale."
John Newton, Former slave ship captain

The final legal slavery voyage from Liverpool was made by Captain Hugh Crow, a Liverpudlian who sailed the Kitty’s Amelia.

There were five main ways that Liverpool made money from slavery,

1. The building and repair of slave ships
2. Slave trading
3. Slave produced goods – cotton, sugar etc
4. Production of exportable goods – pottery etc
5. Insuring and financing the above operations and industries.

Contrary to popular belief few slaving voyages made a huge profit. An average voyage would produce a profit of 8%.

Sometimes though large profits could be made, in 1780 Mathew Street trader William Davenport sent his ship Hawke to Africa at a cost of £5,000. The voyage made a profit of £10,000.

Liverpool merchants were vocal in their opposition to abolition, 64 anti-abolition petitions were submitted from Liverpool.

Despite many folklore stories slaves rarely set foot in Liverpool. The Goree Piazzas on the dock road are often referred to as a location where slaves were chained up. The Piazzas were in fact built 11 years after courts ruled that every slave was free as soon as their feet touched English soil.

this is Nicholas fugue who wants donations to study slavery and live in Liverpool